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Old 07-23-2007, 08:35 AM
Igloo9 Igloo9 is offline
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Default KK against 3 bet on flop

villain is 24/17/4 - I dont think there is any way I can get away from this, but want to check.

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $99.00
Hero (BB): $102.00
UTG: $22.60
MP: $100.00
CO: $203.70
BTN: $121.75

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG calls $1.00, 2 folds, BTN calls $1.00, SB calls $0.50, <font color="red">Hero raises to $6.00</font>, 2 folds, SB calls $5.00

Flop: ($14) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $10.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $29.00</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $70.00</font>,
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Old 07-23-2007, 08:48 AM
Up-grey-de Up-grey-de is offline
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Default Re: KK against 3 bet on flop

Tough one. It would obv be A LOT easier if you have some kind of history with villian, which hands does he limp etc. Nowadays Iīve seen players bet into the preflop raiser with a set, and I do not think that 33 or 77 are unlikely for him to hold, a lot of players at these level still limp/call them preflop. His raise looks like he wants to get value from it, but of course it could be a flush draw. I think I could I fold this.
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Old 07-23-2007, 08:49 AM
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Default Re: KK against 3 bet on flop

this is a fold, imo. very rarely is a limp-call from SB after the others fold going to be a suited connector or Qx. i think he has 44 or 33 90% of the time.
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Old 07-23-2007, 08:52 AM
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Default Re: KK against 3 bet on flop

i think this is a fold. with those stats he isn't playing AQ like this. I think this is almost always 333 or 777, or a flush draw. against this range your equity in the pot is quite low.
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Old 07-23-2007, 08:55 AM
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Default Re: KK against 3 bet on flop

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i think this is a fold. with those stats he isn't playing AQ like this. I think this is almost always 333 or 777, or a flush draw. against this range your equity in the pot is quite low.

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Agree. Mostly when a player limps then calls a raise pf hes got a pp or sc. Therfore I put him on set. Spose could also hold Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] but hes not folding this and your 50/50 at best
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Old 07-23-2007, 08:56 AM
Daddy Warbucks Daddy Warbucks is offline
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Default Re: KK against 3 bet on flop

The AF of 4 doesn't factor in here at all?
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Old 07-23-2007, 09:04 AM
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Default Re: KK against 3 bet on flop

Any number of draws are in his range, Qxdd, 45dd, 46dd, 56dd, Axdd, and the pot is HU, why does he have to have a set?
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Old 07-23-2007, 09:19 AM
RocktheCasbah RocktheCasbah is offline
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Default Re: KK against 3 bet on flop

On the flop he makes it $41 more so this is a fold/AI situation. He's committed to the hand and not gonna fold. Obviously the hands you want to see are KQo, QJo but at worst your crushed by a set or flipping with a SD/FD combo.
Villain has high agg factor so can u put him on a TPGK since he would prob raise pf?
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Old 07-23-2007, 09:24 AM
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Default Re: KK against 3 bet on flop

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Any number of draws are in his range, Qxdd, 45dd, 46dd, 56dd, Axdd, and the pot is HU, why does he have to have a set?

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Yes, but he is a TAG, and the way he played it itīs pretty unlikely that heīs doing this with a draw, I think villian would lean more towards c/c with a draw, since Hero has shown alot of strength with his OOP preflop raise.

Of course Villian could be a good thinking player and thinks that Hero could fold an overpair, and makes his draw look like a set, but I think itīs a bigger chance that Villain is doing this with a set.
And like alot of people wrote, against his total range Hero does not have alot of equity.
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Old 07-23-2007, 09:37 AM
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Default Re: KK against 3 bet on flop

I think this is a fold. The only hand you're beating is AQ, and the line seems too strong for it. This is 77 IMO, or possibly 4d5d, which you're in a coinflip with.
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