8/16 KJo Nuts Get Screwed :(

ProfessorBen · #1 04-22-2007, 07:39 PM

Bay 101 8/16 9 players
Table has become Tight/passive. Not a good table at all.
UTG is a TP who is straightforward. Passive but reasonable postflop too. Constantly misses out on value bets. He wasn't willing to 3bet QQ when a LAG opened up in HJ on his Button.
BB is a TAG though he still coldcalls too often and misses easy value bets. Might be a winner at this game.

Hero has: K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG limps, 3 folds, Hero raises, 3 folds, BB calls.

Flop: A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, BB folds, UTG calls

Turn: 4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
BB donks, Hero raises, BB 3bets, Hero barfs and then?

Thoughts:
Does anyone not like preflop given UTG?
I need 9:2 to call down. Does he have the flush ~22% of the time?
I have no redraws and can still get drawn out on by combo hands. OTOH, I'm ahead of big combo hands.

Clover362 · #2 04-22-2007, 07:42 PM

calls and calls a none spade river crying and pissed about someone making their flush

goofball · #3 04-23-2007, 05:19 AM

yeah, call down duh.

Esso · #4 04-23-2007, 09:21 AM

Pre-flop, it depends a lot on the limper. A tight passive player limping UTG will often have KJo dominated. But if he is weak-tight and will fold many flops that don't give him top pair, an overpair or a strong draw, then this could be a good play.

Chino987 · #5 04-23-2007, 09:27 AM

I think PF is fine considering this the type of game where "playing tighter than everyone else" means 1) you'll prob slowly get blinded out 2) get bored to tears 3) you'll miss prime stealing opportunities. So dont do it.

In a typical live game I've never seen this 3 bet w/o a flush. Even still, tho, I'd get stubborn and call.

fuzz66 · #6 04-23-2007, 10:50 AM

you have the BB folding onthe flop, then leading the turn. im assuming you meant UTG lead the turn, or UTG folded flop.

fuzz66 · #7 04-23-2007, 10:52 AM

im also assuming UTG called your PF raise?
call down

Backstabr · #8 04-23-2007, 10:57 AM

I think this is read-dependent. Live, this is a flush often enough to find a fold, though I'm not sure I could. Have you seen this player go wild with combo draws (e.g. OESFD) ever? Is he smart enough to 3-bet A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] here? My guess is no.

ProfessorBen · #9 04-23-2007, 12:13 PM

OK I screwed up. BB did fold the flop. UTG is the one bet/3betting me. Apologizes.

Gap23Razor · #10 04-23-2007, 02:18 PM

UTG hardly sounds like a person that would be bluff 3 betting on the turn...also, would he slow play two pair? would he limp with QQ or TT preflop? would he stick around on the flop with only a pair of 4's? and if his hand is a weak flush, could you push him off it?

i think you are done here, sorry