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Old 09-06-2007, 12:09 PM
rzk rzk is offline
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Default am i a donk?

CO is 44/31/4.4 wtsd31 1431hands
SB is 53/22/1.6 109hands

Full Tilt Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $5/$10
6 players
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Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises</font>, Button folds, SB calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero 3-bets</font>, CO calls, SB calls.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6SB, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, CO folds, SB calls.

Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5BB, 2 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises</font>, Hero calls.

River: T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (9BB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: 11BB
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Old 09-06-2007, 12:58 PM
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Default Re: am i a donk?

I would check that turn and call river hoping he fires with Tx, or pairs as it seems he's pretty agressive.
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Old 09-06-2007, 01:02 PM
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Default Re: am i a donk?

I play it the same.
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Old 09-06-2007, 01:02 PM
thepizzlefosho thepizzlefosho is offline
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Default Re: am i a donk?

3-bet preflop is bad. flop raise is pretty bad (you are never folding out any draws and I would wait until the turn to raise and try to fold out the CO).

other than that looks good [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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Old 09-06-2007, 01:14 PM
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3-bet preflop is bad. flop raise is pretty bad (you are never folding out any draws and I would wait until the turn to raise and try to fold out the CO).

other than that looks good [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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given their stats I think 3-betting pf for value is good.
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Old 09-06-2007, 01:17 PM
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3-bet preflop is bad. flop raise is pretty bad (you are never folding out any draws and I would wait until the turn to raise and try to fold out the CO).

other than that looks good [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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given their stats I think 3-betting pf for value is good.

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IMO you probably have some PF value but I would think that any PF value can be discounted when OOP against guys this aggressive
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Old 09-06-2007, 01:18 PM
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given their stats I think 3-betting pf for value is good.

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I doubt it matters much.
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Old 09-06-2007, 01:22 PM
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3-bet preflop is bad. flop raise is pretty bad (you are never folding out any draws and I would wait until the turn to raise and try to fold out the CO).

other than that looks good [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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given their stats I think 3-betting pf for value is good.

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their stats make c/r'ing with a decent made hand after the flop good, not pushing marginal equity edges in horrible relative position. Building big pots out of position against LAGs with mediocre but SDable hands is a recipe for disaster.
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Old 09-06-2007, 01:28 PM
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3-bet preflop is bad. flop raise is pretty bad (you are never folding out any draws and I would wait until the turn to raise and try to fold out the CO).

other than that looks good [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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given their stats I think 3-betting pf for value is good.

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their stats make c/r'ing with a decent made hand after the flop good, not pushing marginal equity edges in horrible relative position. Building big pots out of position against LAGs with mediocre but SDable hands is a recipe for disaster.

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AT is a strong hand in this situation.
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Old 09-06-2007, 01:44 PM
thepizzlefosho thepizzlefosho is offline
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3-bet preflop is bad. flop raise is pretty bad (you are never folding out any draws and I would wait until the turn to raise and try to fold out the CO).

other than that looks good [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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given their stats I think 3-betting pf for value is good.

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their stats make c/r'ing with a decent made hand after the flop good, not pushing marginal equity edges in horrible relative position. Building big pots out of position against LAGs with mediocre but SDable hands is a recipe for disaster.

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AT is a strong hand in this situation.

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if we give them their full range we only have 40% equity, but we've narrowed our range very easily for them (big pairs and big As). So now we have to deal with whether or not to SD a mediocre A-high if we get raised on a drawy board. I think this is one where being in horrible relative position and being put in a lot of tough spots postflop easily outways a relatively small equity edge.

but keep 3-balling out of the BB with ATo if it is working for you.
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