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Old 10-22-2007, 11:47 AM
Specialwon Specialwon is offline
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Default 50NL: 2 3 bet or not 2 3 bet

I've taken to 3 betting a good deal more and I'm seeing some very good results from it. Is this hand a step too far, or an ideal squeeze for my hand?

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No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
10 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $49.75
UTG+1: $50.00
UTG+2: $49.25
MP1: $57.00
MP2: $52.95
MP3: $25.75
CO: $36.55
Button: $51.40
Hero: $49.90
BB: $130.15

Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

<font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $2</font>, 2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, 2 folds,

Hero 3bets to (say) $12?

UTG is a tight regular, 12 / 6, positionally aware. He has around 1500+ hands on me and knows that I have been stepping up my 3 bets a lot recently. He would maybe expect my 3bet range to be TT+ AQs+, something like that. His calling / raising range is probably JJ+, AK+. The others are unknowns.

My reasons for maybe NOT 3 betting are:

1. This REALLY looks like a squeeze, so UTG may call even lighter than that.

3. I am OOP for the rest of the hand.

Thoughts?
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Old 10-22-2007, 12:05 PM
RapidEvolution RapidEvolution is offline
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Default Re: 50NL: 2 3 bet or not 2 3 bet

It doesn't look like a squeeze IMO. From my understanding, a squeeze is done when you think original raiser is loose and other people called since they also knew has was loose. Here, we have a 12/6 raising from UTG, and we'll be OOP for the rest of the hand. If his calling and raising ranges are the same, you're behind either way and OOP to boot. I usually can't find a fold here, but in these circumstances, I'd lay it down.
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Old 10-22-2007, 12:07 PM
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Default Re: 50NL: 2 3 bet or not 2 3 bet

i never 3 bet from this spot anymore. 12/6's who raise from utg either have the same hand or have you beat pretty badly. i think i just fold this pf.
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Old 10-22-2007, 12:20 PM
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Default Re: 50NL: 2 3 bet or not 2 3 bet

I'd like to add that reason 1 actually argues for 3betting here...not against it. The more hands he calls with, the better (as the range gets weighted towards hands that you tie with, instead of hands that have you crushed).
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Old 10-22-2007, 12:43 PM
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Default Re: 50NL: 2 3 bet or not 2 3 bet

Fold. His range UTG crushes you plus your OOP and if you hit TP he's unlikely to pay you off.
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Old 10-22-2007, 12:54 PM
Specialwon Specialwon is offline
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Default Re: 50NL: 2 3 bet or not 2 3 bet

Aye, fold it is.

Anyone like a cold call?
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Old 10-22-2007, 01:55 PM
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Default Re: 50NL: 2 3 bet or not 2 3 bet

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Anyone like a cold call?

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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Better raise than cold-call. YOU are OOP!

EDIT: I would fold preflop.
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Old 10-22-2007, 04:56 PM
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Default Re: 50NL: 2 3 bet or not 2 3 bet

I never fold here. I 3bet some and call some. Regulars expect me to 3bet AK pretty much all the time in my experience so I'm able to get value from worse hands. Even if an ace comes you should be able to get some money out of the other callers a decent amount of the time even if the prf just c/f.
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