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Old 09-11-2007, 05:04 PM
ras52 ras52 is offline
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Default NL25 TPTK on two-tone board - pot control vs. protection?

Villain appears tight/passive based on 30 or so hands.

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $8.35
UTG+1: $22.05
MP1: $19.90
Hero: $43.75
MP3: $10
CO: $14.40
Button: $9.45
SB: $12.25
BB: $23.65

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is MP2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $0.75</font>, MP3 folds, CO calls, 3 folds.

Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($1.85, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $1.25</font>, CO calls.

Turn: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($4.35, 2 players)

Then my brain turns to mush. He didn't go away and now I've got a paired board to think about too. Risk giving a free card or keep on firing?
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Old 09-11-2007, 05:07 PM
Chargers In 07 Chargers In 07 is offline
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Default Re: NL25 TPTK on two-tone board - pot control vs. protection?

Bet $3.25 or so. Bet river to.
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Old 09-11-2007, 05:23 PM
Jay.Yang Jay.Yang is offline
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Default Re: NL25 TPTK on two-tone board - pot control vs. protection?

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Risk giving a free card or keep on firing?

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Keep on firing~
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Old 09-11-2007, 05:23 PM
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Default Re: NL25 TPTK on two-tone board - pot control vs. protection?

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Bet $3.25 or so. Bet river to.

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Old 09-13-2007, 06:41 AM
ras52 ras52 is offline
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Default Re: NL25 TPTK on two-tone board - pot control vs. protection?

OK, so I kept on firing - albeit not as much as suggested - and Villain kept on calling until the river, where it got awkward:

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $8.35
UTG+1: $22.05
MP1: $19.90
Hero: $43.75
MP3: $10
CO: $14.40
Button: $9.45
SB: $12.25
BB: $23.65

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is MP2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $0.75</font>, MP3 folds, CO calls, 3 folds.

Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($1.85, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $1.25</font>, CO calls.

Turn: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($4.35, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $2.25</font>, CO calls.

River: 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($8.85, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $3.5</font>, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises all-in $10.15</font>

The pot is 22.5 and it's 6.65 to call, 3.4-to-1. Am I committed? My gut says no - I don't think he'd go to the river with nothing, in which case he's just improved to 2-pair or better, and he doesn't have enough chips to bluff with a busted flush draw. Thoughts?
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Old 09-13-2007, 06:43 AM
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Default Re: NL25 TPTK on two-tone board - pot control vs. protection?

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OK, so I kept on firing - albeit not as much as suggested - and Villain kept on calling until the river, where it got awkward:

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $8.35
UTG+1: $22.05
MP1: $19.90
Hero: $43.75
MP3: $10
CO: $14.40
Button: $9.45
SB: $12.25
BB: $23.65

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is MP2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $0.75</font>, MP3 folds, CO calls, 3 folds.

Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($1.85, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $1.25</font>, CO calls.

Turn: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($4.35, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $2.25</font>, CO calls.

River: 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($8.85, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $3.5</font>, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises all-in $10.15</font>

The pot is 22.5 and it's 6.65 to call, 3.4-to-1. Am I committed? My gut says no - I don't think he'd go to the river with nothing, in which case he's just improved to 2-pair or better, and he doesn't have enough chips to bluff with a busted flush draw. Thoughts?

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you have 2 pair and top kicker. You bet really weakly, he could be raising a worse Q etc. for value here.
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Old 09-13-2007, 07:55 AM
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Default Re: NL25 TPTK on two-tone board - pot control vs. protection?

maybe he has 77 in the hole, or perhaps he slow played 22 all the way. Anything else and you have him beat, therefore, you should call here.
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Old 09-13-2007, 08:43 AM
AlexB182 AlexB182 is offline
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Default Re: NL25 TPTK on two-tone board - pot control vs. protection?

From my limited Stars experience so far (I love it, they are sooo bad..): call and expect to see everything from KQ over A7 to JJ or some total bluff. I never ever fold there!
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Old 09-13-2007, 08:51 AM
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Default Re: NL25 TPTK on two-tone board - pot control vs. protection?

Agreed, since the effective stacks are $10.00 with TPTK I usually decide to commit on that flop.
Its hard to get away from TPTK on this board (why would he ever have a 3?) with 20bb

The fact that he didnt raise at any point until the river makes me less wary of AA, KK so I go ahead here and get it in here.
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Old 09-13-2007, 08:53 AM
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Default Re: NL25 TPTK on two-tone board - pot control vs. protection?

Next time plan on getting all in if you hit TPTK against a stack that size. Then size your bets accordingly.
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