2-7 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Razz

Jigsaws · #1 07-06-2007, 11:09 PM

So I suck and started a Razz session at 2am this morning. I really hate poker these days, and what better than to punish myself even more with the most godforsaken form of poker ever invented? After a couple of hours of self-castigation I manage to lose $400. I couldn't care less about the $400, but the manner in which I had just wasted two and a half hours of my life was enough to tilt even a hardened vet. Doyle Brunson is close to his death, but this session would have toppled him over.

Solution: the most degen form of poker in existence. 2-7 TD. 50 bet swings are totally standard in this game. That means if I play 10/20 I only have to win a couple of pots to be back to even, obviously.

Cliff's notes of the hands:

15 hands, +$400. I hit-n-run and I'm instantly cured of tilt.

Significant pots below for those who understand 2-7.

Triple Draw 2-7 Lowball Limit ($10/$20) (converter)

Hero ($385), Seat 3
BB ($415), Seat 4

Button at Seat 3.
Hero posts $5. BB posts $10.

Hand: [Ad 3c 7d 2h Jd]

Round 1: (1.50 SB)

Hero raises. BB raises. Hero calls. 
BB takes 2. Hero discards Ad Jd.

Hand: [3c 7d 2h 3s 8s]

Round 2: (6.00 SB)

BB bets. Hero calls. 
BB takes 1. Hero discards 3s.

Hand: [3c 7d 2h 8s Kd]

Round 3: (4.00 BB)

BB bets. Hero calls. 
BB stands pat. Hero discards Kd.

Hand: [3c 7d 2h 8s 4c]

Round 4: (6.00 BB)

BB bets. Hero calls. 

Total pot: (8.00 BB - $160)

Results:

Total pot $160 | Rake $1

Hero had [4c 3c 7d 2h 8s] and won ($159) with Lo: 8,7,4,3,2
BB had [4d 3h 6c 2d 4s] and lost with Lo: a pair of Fours

LOL, he tried to snow me the first hand we played.

Triple Draw 2-7 Lowball Limit ($10/$20) (converter)

SB ($310), Seat 4
Hero ($488), Seat 3

Button at Seat 4.
SB posts $5. Hero posts $10.

Hand: [Td 8d 2h 9d 4h]

Round 1: (1.50 SB)

SB raises. Hero calls. 
Hero discards Td 9d. SB takes 3.

Hand: [8d 2h 4h 2s Ah]

Round 2: (4.00 SB)

Hero checks. SB bets. Hero calls. 
Hero discards 2s Ah. SB takes 2.

Hand: [8d 2h 4h 5h 8c]

Round 3: (3.00 BB)

Hero checks. SB bets. Hero calls. 
Hero discards 8c. SB stands pat.

Hand: [8d 2h 4h 5h Qh]

Round 4: (5.00 BB)

Hero checks. SB bets. Hero calls. 

Total pot: (7.00 BB - $140)

Results:

Total pot $140 | Rake $1

Hero had [5h 8d 2h Qh 4h]
SB had [3s 5s 7s Tc 6h] and won ($139) with Lo: T,7,6,5,3

Very nice valuebet by him. I should've figured he wouldn't be snowing this time. Note how incredibly aggressive he is, though.

Triple Draw 2-7 Lowball Limit ($10/$20) (converter)

Hero ($418), Seat 3
BB ($379), Seat 4

Button at Seat 3.
Hero posts $5. BB posts $10.

Hand: [7c Ts 3d 8s 5c]

Round 1: (1.50 SB)

Hero raises. BB raises. Hero raises. BB calls. 
BB takes 1. Hero discards Ts.

Hand: [7c 3d 8s 5c Qh]

Round 2: (8.00 SB)

BB bets. Hero calls. 
BB takes 1. Hero discards Qh.

Hand: [7c 3d 8s 5c 5s]

Round 3: (5.00 BB)

BB bets. Hero calls. 
BB stands pat. Hero discards 5s.

Hand: [7c 3d 8s 5c 3h]

Round 4: (7.00 BB)

BB bets. Hero folds. 

Total pot: (7.00 BB - $140)

Meh, standard.

Triple Draw 2-7 Lowball Limit ($10/$20) (converter)

Hero ($338), Seat 3
BB ($458), Seat 4

Button at Seat 3.
Hero posts $5. BB posts $10.

Hand: [Jc 7d Tc 2s 2d]

Round 1: (1.50 SB)

Hero raises. BB calls. 
BB takes 3. Hero discards Jc Tc 2d.

Hand: [7d 2s 3h Qs 8c]

Round 2: (4.00 SB)

BB bets. Hero raises. BB raises. Hero calls. 
BB takes 1. Hero discards Qs.

Hand: [7d 2s 3h 8c 9c]

Round 3: (5.00 BB)

BB bets. Hero calls. 
BB stands pat. Hero stands pat.

Hand: [7d 2s 3h 8c 9c]

Round 4: (7.00 BB)

BB bets. Hero calls. 

Total pot: (9.00 BB - $180)

Results:

Total pot $180 | Rake $1

Hero had [3h 7d 9c 2s 8c] and won ($179) with Lo: 9,8,7,3,2
BB had [4s 9d 3s 7h 8h] and lost with Lo: 9,8,7,4,3

I freeze him and hate to call on the river, but I have to pay off and get lucky.

Triple Draw 2-7 Lowball Limit ($10/$20) (converter)

SB ($368), Seat 4
Hero ($427), Seat 3

Button at Seat 4.
SB posts $5. Hero posts $10.

Hand: [2d 5c As 8c Qc]

Round 1: (1.50 SB)

SB raises. Hero calls. 
Hero discards As Qc. SB takes 2.

Hand: [2d 5c 8c 7h 9d]

Round 2: (4.00 SB)

Hero bets. SB raises. Hero raises. SB raises. Hero calls. 
Hero stands pat. SB takes 2.

Hand: [2d 5c 8c 7h 9d]

Round 3: (6.00 BB)

Hero bets. SB folds. 

Total pot: (6.00 BB - $120)

Results:

Don't know what he was doing here. I can't imagine him breaking a 96, so he must've had a rougher pat hand and he was trying to bully me into breaking.

Triple Draw 2-7 Lowball Limit ($10/$20) (converter)

Hero ($486), Seat 3
BB ($308), Seat 4

Button at Seat 3.
Hero posts $5. BB posts $10.

Hand: [5c 8h Jh 7h Qc]

Round 1: (1.50 SB)

Hero raises. BB raises. Hero calls. 
BB takes 2. Hero discards Jh Qc.

Hand: [5c 8h 7h 2d 7c]

Round 2: (6.00 SB)

BB bets. Hero calls. 
BB takes 2. Hero discards 7c.

Hand: [5c 8h 7h 2d 9d]

Round 3: (4.00 BB)

BB checks. Hero bets. BB raises. Hero calls. 
BB stands pat. Hero stands pat.

Hand: [5c 8h 7h 2d 9d]

Round 4: (8.00 BB)

BB checks. Hero checks. 

Total pot: (8.00 BB - $160)

Results:

Total pot $160 | Rake $1

Hero had [5c 8h 2d 7h 9d] and won ($159) with Lo: 9,8,7,5,2
BB had [9c 2h 6d Ts 8s] and lost with Lo: T,9,8,6,2

Again a sort of freeze. Probably could've valuebet the river, but maybe it's too thin.

Triple Draw 2-7 Lowball Limit ($10/$20) (converter)

SB ($228), Seat 4
Hero ($565), Seat 3

Button at Seat 4.
SB posts $5. Hero posts $10.

Hand: [5c Js 8d 2d 3c]

Round 1: (1.50 SB)

SB raises. Hero raises. SB raises. Hero calls. 
Hero discards Js. SB takes 2.

Hand: [5c 8d 2d 3c 4h]

Round 2: (8.00 SB)

Hero bets. SB raises. Hero raises. SB raises. Hero calls. 
Hero stands pat. SB stands pat.

Hand: [5c 8d 2d 3c 4h]

Round 3: (8.00 BB)

Hero checks. SB bets. Hero raises. SB raises. Hero raises. SB calls. 
Hero stands pat. SB stands pat.

Hand: [5c 8d 2d 3c 4h]

Round 4: (16.00 BB)

Hero bets. SB calls. 

Total pot: (18.00 BB - $360)

Results:

Total pot $360 | Rake $1

Hero had [5c 4h 8d 2d 3c] and won ($359) with Lo: 8,5,4,3,2
SB had [5h 8h 7c 2s 3d]

GIN. I hit #5 (the 5th nuts) against the most aggro opponent I've ever faced. I wasn't planning to stop raising until the river, where I would've just called a raise.

Triple Draw 2-7 Lowball Limit ($10/$20) (converter)

Hero ($744), Seat 3
BB ($48), Seat 4

Button at Seat 3.
Hero posts $5. BB posts $10.

Hand: [2c 3h 7h Ts 4s]

Round 1: (1.50 SB)

Hero raises. BB calls. 
BB takes 3. Hero discards Ts.

Hand: [2c 3h 7h 4s 9c]

Round 2: (4.00 SB)

BB bets. Hero raises. BB raises (all-in). Hero calls. 
BB takes 1. Hero stands pat.

Hand: [2c 3h 7h 4s 9c]

Round 3: (4.80 BB)

No action, HU w/all-in.
BB takes 1. Hero stands pat.

Hand: [2c 3h 7h 4s 9c]

Round 4: (4.80 BB)

No action, HU w/all-in.

Total pot: (4.80 BB - $96)

Results:

Total pot $96 | Rake $1

Hero had [2c 3h 7h 9c 4s] and won ($95) with Lo: 9,7,4,3,2
BB had [6d 8c Th 2h 7s] and lost with Lo: T,8,7,6,2

AAAAAAAAAND FINISH HIM.

ocdscale · #2 07-06-2007, 11:27 PM

[ QUOTE ]

Round 3: (4.00 BB)

BB bets. Hero calls.
BB stands pat. Hero discards Kd.

Hand: [3c 7d 2h 8s 4c]

Round 4: (6.00 BB)

BB bets. Hero calls.

[/ QUOTE ]

I would think this is an easy raise even with villain standing pat.

Edit, after looking through all the hands (and given my admittedly low knowledge of 2-7), I think you missed a lot of value on last two streets against such an aggro villain.

yourface · #3 07-06-2007, 11:37 PM

2-7 seems like a cool game. handling the variance at LHE causes me enough stress though

nice rush OP

Neko · #4 07-06-2007, 11:50 PM

I read all those hands. Actually a pretty solid, original, brag. GJ Jigsaws.

mbillie1 · #5 07-07-2007, 12:08 AM

unnnnnnhhhhhhhhhhhhh my head asplode

Jigsaws · #6 07-07-2007, 07:58 AM

[ QUOTE ]
I would think this is an easy raise even with villain standing pat.

Edit, after looking through all the hands (and given my admittedly low knowledge of 2-7), I think you missed a lot of value on last two streets against such an aggro villain.

[/ QUOTE ]
Meh, readless I don't think 87432 is worth a raise. Lots of 2-7 players will check-call their 876x hands, leaving only 875x to get value from. Obviously if it had been later in the "match" I would've put in a raise.

I don't see any other spot to put in a bet, except maybe the 98752 vs. T9862? Remember that I want him to pat a worse hand into the last draw, hence no 3bet - I don't want to give him a chance to break a T or J. I guess I could've bet the river with the way he'd been betting, though.