Too shove or not too shove.

[Coz]

Had been pretty TAG at this table as well, thought I had a lot of fold equity preflop. His call kinda baffled me, and I thought for a little while about shoving this before eventually folding. Anybody shoving this?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (7 handed) UPF Handconverter

Button (t3115)
SB (t10675)
BB (t3720)
UTG (t3225)
Hero (t2940)
MP2 (t4020)
CO (t1225)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t600</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, BB calls t400.

Flop: (t1150) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets t800</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t1950

Same table, same villian as above. Anybody not shoving this?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (6 handed) UPF Handconverter

UTG (t3040)
MP (t4605)
CO (t14315)
Hero (t2065)
SB (t3745)
BB (t1150)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to t1200</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero shoves.

[omg im l337]

Hand #1: Pretty standard. His range on the flop has you beat.

Hand 2#: You have 5 big blinds left, easy shove against his range with the size stack he has.

[Kimbell175113]

I fold both preflop, actually, and don't think twice.

Hand 1 you could almost shove pre if you had a bit better hand in a bit better position. But you can't. As is, what happened is going to happen a lot, or you get restole on. If you do raise pre, definitely raise smaller.

Hand 2 you have no FE, and unless you know he is raising with like Q9 and such, then you don't have enough equity, imo. You can 'wait for a better spot,' which would be anytime you can be first in the pot.

[omg im l337]

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I fold both preflop, actually, and don't think twice.

Hand 1 you could almost shove pre if you had a bit better hand in a bit better position. But you can't. As is, what happened is going to happen a lot, or you get restole on. If you do raise pre, definitely raise smaller.

Hand 2 you have no FE, and unless you know he is raising with like Q9 and such, then you don't have enough equity, imo. You can 'wait for a better spot,' which would be anytime you can be first in the pot.

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orly? about number two, he could be raising with any two, and even though he has no fold equity he is a 59/41 favorite.

[Kimbell175113]

Ok, if he is raising any two, then get in there, to be sure. I just don't think that's terribly likely.

[Coz]

I understand what you are saying and I thought about folding it too, but the thing that got me to raise was my tight image and stack sizes. This is from a two table S&amp;G, I posted here just because I knew you guys and wanted your feedback. We are at the FT bubble, I raised because I knew people were probably not calling or raising without a huge hand. For the second hand I put villian on any PP, any A, K5+ Q7+ suited connectors and such, because my chip stack was so low I thought this was an adequate spot to gamble.

[Bond18]

Villain is not actually raising any two cards in this spot. Just because he could doesn't mean he is. Kimbells first reply was spot on.

[Kimbell175113]

Mise well make it 450 or so, then. It's cheaper for you if you get raised, and it makes stack sizes so that you can shove over a flop donk, and for a sizable amount.

edit: zomg, Bond agrees with me!

[omg im l337]

Ty guys. I'm still trying to master MTT play. : P