push with 77 from BB

Dr1Gonzo · #1 05-20-2006, 06:14 PM

This okay? I had been in push/fold mode for the last 2 or 3 levels at this point. The EP player always min-raised or made raises slightly less than 3BBs whether on a steal or something like KQ+ from that position so I'm looking to double up here:

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t200/t400
(Ante: t50)
8 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t3790
UTG+1: t8455
MP1: t3815
MP2: t7205
CO: t9780
Button: t15830
SB: t6870
Hero: t3905

Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to t1000, 5 folds, Hero raises all-in t3855, UTG+1 calls t2855 (pot was t5055).

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (t8310, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: t8310)

Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (t8310, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: t8310)

River: J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (t8310, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: t8310)

Results:
Final pot: t8310

mlagoo · #2 05-20-2006, 06:17 PM

the stars appear to have aligned for a stopngo.

Dr1Gonzo · #3 05-22-2006, 04:33 AM

Do you think this would be a better move than trying to use some of my fold equity ?
I have a feeling that pushing all-in on the flop might also look like a blatant steal attempt so villain might call with overcards anyway, which is the same as seeing all 5 cards in the first place ?

0evg0 · #4 05-22-2006, 04:54 AM

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Do you think this would be a better move than trying to use some of my fold equity ?
I have a feeling that pushing all-in on the flop might also look like a blatant steal attempt so villain might call with overcards anyway, which is the same as seeing all 5 cards in the first place ?

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1. You have no FE.
2. No, it's not.

Dr1Gonzo · #5 05-22-2006, 05:02 AM

Okay...why no FE
I must have some. I have roughly half of villains stack and for him to call an all-in he must have something vaguely decent? or is it because of the raise ?

DDBeast · #6 05-22-2006, 05:30 AM

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Okay...why no FE
I must have some. I have roughly half of villains stack and for him to call an all-in he must have something vaguely decent? or is it because of the raise ?

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He's raising from early position, so it is highly probable he has some sort of a hand. With your push he is getting about 1.8-1 to call, which he should call if he has ANY reasonable holding. However, on the flop you can fold out all sorts of hands with a SNG.
Cheers

Bond18 · #7 05-22-2006, 06:35 AM

If you intend on committing all your chips i think stopngo is superior play.

You have much higher fold equity since pushing pre flop as beast says he has 1.8 to 1 on his call, meaning he calls an awful lot of hands correctly.

Say you call isntead theres now 2200 in the pot. When you push the flop (assuming u don't hit 7 which u clearly check) you make him call a pot sized bet with 2 cards to come. Also you cut the cards hes going to see from 5 down to 3, improving your odds drastically if coin flipping.

Dr1Gonzo · #8 05-22-2006, 07:00 AM

Makes sense.
Out of interest, I assume you do this whatever the flop? Even if an Ace comes? With a raise from UTG, I've gotta see him having some sort of Ace.

DDBeast · #9 05-22-2006, 07:27 AM

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Makes sense.
Out of interest, I assume you do this whatever the flop? Even if an Ace comes? With a raise from UTG, I've gotta see him having some sort of Ace.

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You do this especially if an Ace comes! If the flop comes Ace high, it will be hard for him to call off a decent portion of his stack with anything less than Aces. And yes, you should be doing this nearly every flop. Some flops I wouldn't push would be a set or maybe a KQJ flop.
Cheers