Middle pair, river decision 10/20

[donger]

Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $10/$20
6 players
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Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises</font>, 3 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4.5SB, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4.25BB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, UTG+1 calls.

River: T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6.25BB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises</font>, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: 1BB returned to UTG+1.

Results:
Final pot: 8.25BB


Villain is like 35/24 and aggro and SD prone. Fold preflop?
How's the river play?

Anyone take a different line in the hand from the flop onward?

[wackjob]

even against this idiot I would fold PF.

I think the rest of the hand is good.

[Zele]

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Villain is like 35/24 and aggro and SD prone.

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wackjob, You need to stop assuming that this = idiot.

donger, I'd say pf is borderline. I probably pitch it but calling is probably OK too. If he's monkey aggro (i.e. the kind of guy that 3-barrels A high), a calldown is fine. Otherwise your line looks good.

[Entity]

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even against this idiot I would fold PF.

I think the rest of the hand is good.

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Villain doesn't sound like an idiot to me. I'd fold preflop but call if he raised a bit later or if my hand were Q9o or suited.

Rob

[Scary_Tiger]

I think you see QT, AJ quite often on this river, call some of these seemingly random river raises, but folding this one is fine.

Rest of hand is perfect.

[wackjob]

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wackjob, You need to stop assuming that this = idiot

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making assumptions about what i assume, makes an ass out of you for sure.

[Scary_Tiger]

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wackjob, You need to stop assuming that this = idiot

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making assumptions about what i assume, makes an ass out of you for sure.

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even against this idiot I would fold PF.

[Dane S]

burn

[mmcd]

I think a preflop call is pretty standard here against this type. In my experience, you tend to have huge implied odds against 35/25/2.5 type players. They will 3-barrel bluff pretty often, and often auto 3-bet a flop checkraise regardless of their hand and the board. I guess it probably depends on your image/recent history with them, but these types will play big pots with hands that can't beat top pair fairly often.

[kurosh]

I don't like your postflop play. There are lots of lines you can take. What do you think is going to call you on the river?? I guess if he calls with JJ and such, sure, but will he?? I'd prefer a c/c or c/f.