When to push a 20 wrap

thenrique · #1 02-20-2007, 08:19 PM

This question arose after a friend of mine told me about a hand he played recently. He flopped a 20 out wrap(rainbow) and had position on villan, both beeing deep (3 buy-ins). The hand was raised preflop by my friend. He now got c/r by villan on flop and his read on villan is that he's tight solid and rarely does this with air.

The question is?
If we somehow knew that we were up against a set here, when is the right time to push. Raise when the action gets back to us on the flop? Or call and push on any non-pairing turn?

Remember this is if you somehow know that villan has a set.

mixmastermattyk · #2 02-20-2007, 09:37 PM

If you *know* villain's hand is a set, shouldn't the standard play be pushing any non-pairing turn?

Yossalah · #3 02-20-2007, 10:08 PM

Not that I wish to be berated, however I am having some difficulty coming up with a situation where a wrap has 20 outs.

can someone help me not feel so retarded?

grizy · #4 02-20-2007, 10:22 PM

JT67 on an 89x rainbow flop

Troll_Inc · #5 02-20-2007, 10:30 PM

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JT67

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Foldpreflop!

Yossalah · #6 02-20-2007, 10:32 PM

thank you

TheRempel · #7 02-20-2007, 11:01 PM

A double gap hand is actually the only way you can ever flop a 20 out straight wrap.

There aren't actually that many of them:

2367
3478
4589
569T
67TJ
78JQ
89QK

bugstud · #8 02-20-2007, 11:13 PM

problem with 20 wraps is say on the 89 flop, QJT2 handily beats JT76.

kmar1085 · #9 02-21-2007, 05:16 PM

If the villian is tight/solid, there really is no reason to push on the flop IMO. I would call the c/r because if the board pairs on the turn you can dump it. This is especially true playing this deep (3 buy ins). Also Villian could have blockers and/or some of the same str8 draws as you. If you were shorter and could easily get all the money in on the flop, I would do so. Generally I am not comfortable playing for a 6 buy-in pot on this flop when your not in great shape.

grizy · #10 02-21-2007, 06:59 PM

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If the villian is tight/solid, there really is no reason to push on the flop IMO. I would call the c/r because if the board pairs on the turn you can dump it. This is especially true playing this deep (3 buy ins). Also Villian could have blockers and/or some of the same str8 draws as you. If you were shorter and could easily get all the money in on the flop, I would do so. Generally I am not comfortable playing for a 6 buy-in pot on this flop when your not in great shape.

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I am far more likely to shove with 300bbs for a 10% edge then to wait for a bigger edge on the turn to get in another 30~40bbs.

This isn't even counting fold equity for TT (in the JTx) example.