100NL - Top 2 pair, multiway pot... WTF??

[wake_up]

I hadn't been at the table too long. I usually run at about 18/12 but I'd been seeing a few more flops than normal so far at the table. MP1's call of 2 bets on the flop was pretty scary. Anyone push the flop?

MP1 is 38/3 over 100 or so hands
UTG is unknown.

Um... I'm not crazy about a call or a fold here. I think it's pretty marginal. Thoughts?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (8 handed) handconverter.com

Hero ($108.85)
CO ($113.60)
Button ($98)
SB ($104.75)
BB ($20)
UTG ($90.35)
UTG+1 ($32.35)
MP1 ($282.90)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls $2, Hero calls $2, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB calls $1.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($9) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $8</font>, SB folds, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $16</font>, MP1 calls $16, Hero calls $8.

Turn: ($57) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $72.35 (All-In)</font>, MP1 calls $72.35, Hero folds.

River: ($201.70) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $201.70

[SABR42]

I probably call because I'm confused.

It's close though. I think A5 or worse is a fold, AJ or better is a call.

[veryblind]

it's very close. but i'm a donk so i call.

i always assume players will make the smartest play. if MP1 had made hand on flop (cuz turn couldn't have helped), i would expect him to raise. if UTG had anything, i would not expect min-check-raise OOP and then overbet on turn.

i'm confused. i call

[SABR42]

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i always assume players will make the smartest play.

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This is a bad assumption.

[AllTheCheese]

Call. Two spades and the Ace of clubs are on the board. Somebody could easily have TP+NFD here. Not to mention there are worse two pairs and chops. Plus, MP1 is an imbecile so really we're only worried about UTG here.

[Vecernicek]

I don't think I call here without any reads on UTG. His whole line is kind of ridiculous, but it nonetheless look pretty strong to me:

Minraise UTG
Check Raise flop
Semi-scared looking donk-shove on a drawy board when he actually got two callers on the flop.

I think this is a set a lot of the time.

What about re-raising the flop?

[RyanCMU]

Meh, I hate a call here.

UTG min raises PF, then c/min raises flop, and then overbet shoves the turn. We can assume he is pretty bad from his actions thus far, however, his line also looks pretty strong, some donks may play JJ/55/AA in this manner.

MP2, could cold call JJ preflop as well as AQ and AK, and 55 is definatly in thier range. Consdiering thier postflop action thier hand I think is more weighted towards something like AQss AKss JJ or 55.

vs those two proposed ranges for the villains, I think one of them is likley to have a set far to often to call here, and I go ahead and give it up.