Flush vs a fish - 100NL DEEP

[dregal]

I think the turn is an interesting spot given we are 200BB deep.

My intial thought was to 3bet and be happy to get my money in here. I talked over the hand with another 2p2er who thought differently. What it do SSNL?


Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

Hero (SB): $196.65
BB: $43.20
UTG: $247.80
CO: $102.00
BTN: $194.80

Reads: <font color="blue">Villian is huge donk running at 69/34 over a few hundred hands. We havent tangled yet. Hero is Taggy.</font>

Preflop: Hero is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $3.50</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls $3.00, BB folds

Flop: ($8) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $6.00</font>, UTG calls $6.00

Turn: ($20) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $14.00</font>, <font color="red">UTG raises to $28.00</font>, Hero...

[reup]

id three bet the turn and call a shove against him. reasons for not calling are that he could be doing this with the A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], possibly, or looking for a cheap showdown, have 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], his range is wide, he's a lag you have a strong hand, i'm willing to felt here. most lags with these stats don't discriminate between players even if they haven't tangled yet so i'm downplaying that fact somewhat.

[HumbertHumbert]

yeah you should 3bet and call a shove. 60/30? he could have anything really. just calling would be terrible and a huge loss of value. hope a heart doesn't fall on the river!

[dregal]

bump

[Maulik]

If I 3bet turn...
it's to bet/fold river or check/fold

I would not call a turn shove after my 3b.

[dregal]

Hey Maulik,

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If I 3bet turn...

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Do you still calling the turn min raise is the best line? If we call, what is your plan on a non [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] river?

[Maulik]

dregal,

VB the hell out of the river!

[Casper05]

Maulik, I'm not sure why you arent trying to get it in here versus this guy. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

He would play an 8 this way, possibly the A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] this way, and def an OP with a heart.

I'm 3-betting the turn to 90 and calling a shove.

[Maulik]

Hey Casper,

I'd put donkeys range on one of four things, two being more likely than the others.

Trip eights w/ min-raise flop or turn.
Boat would do the same.
Flush, probably.
Overpair + [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] redraw.

Let's discount the value of our hand since it's not the nut-flush &amp; it's a paired board.

Of the remaining 3 hands, we are drawing dead in one-instance, hoping for trips or overpair w/ Heart redraw.

100bb I'm fine w/ being allin on turn.

[forshure]

Ive seen similar villans show up/stack off with pairs here. Like no way im not trying to get in as many bbs as w/ only 200 total behind.