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07-08-2007, 07:05 PM
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call river based on pot odds? (NL200)
Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)
SB: $43.75 BB: $53.20 UTG: $202.40 MP: $221.00 CO: $190.15 Hero (BTN): $299.70 Reads: <font color="blue">villain is new to the table - no stats. he posted the big blind out of turn when he sat so i assume he is not very good (might be wrong of course).</font> Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players) UTG calls $2.00, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $9.00</font>, 2 folds, UTG calls $7.00 Flop: ($21) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players) UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $14.00</font>, <font color="red">UTG raises to $32.00</font>, Hero calls $18.00 <font color="blue">i called his check-raise because i didn't give him credit for a real hand (would he check-raise trips?). i put him on a flush-draw, maybe a small overpair against which i have six outs.</font> Turn: ($85) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players) UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $55.00</font>, UTG calls $55.00 <font color="blue">i valuebet because i guess he has a flush draw. and now i beat any overpair he might have had.</font> River: ($195) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">UTG bets all-in for $106.40</font> <font color="blue">this sucks. but the pot odds are 2.8:1 and it's weekend - people bluff a lot, and possible flushes are a convenient spot to bluff... can i call this? should i just shove the turn?</font> Pot Size: $407.80 ($3 Rake) 
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#3
07-08-2007, 07:17 PM
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Re: call river based on pot odds? (NL200)
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should i just shove the turn? [/ QUOTE ]
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#6
07-08-2007, 07:20 PM
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Re: call river based on pot odds? (NL200)
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villain is new to the table - no stats. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] <font color="blue">i called his check-raise because i didn't give him credit for a real hand (would he check-raise trips?). i put him on a flush-draw, maybe a small overpair against which i have six outs.</font> [/ QUOTE ] Why wouldnt he check-raise trips here? Why cant he have 33 or 55 here? You have six outs, but no odds to calls and if you hit your hand, you probably dont get paid enough. And if he has set or quads you are just losing more money. Fold flop. Bet more on the turn. Fold river.
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#7
07-08-2007, 07:34 PM
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Re: call river based on pot odds? (NL200)
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Why cant he have 33 or 55 here? [/ QUOTE ] he can, but he must think that this flop completely missed me. unless i have a solid pocket pair i won't call this check-raise (usually). so it would probably be a bad idea of him to check-raise with a boat / quads. [ QUOTE ] You have six outs, but no odds to calls and if you hit your hand, you probably dont get paid enough. [/ QUOTE ] i don't need outs to beat a flush draw. [ QUOTE ] Bet more on the turn. [/ QUOTE ] if i bet more, i HAVE to call river, because of awesome pot odds. i agree with the rest of your points.
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#8
07-08-2007, 07:56 PM
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Re: call river based on pot odds? (NL200)
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[ QUOTE ] i put him on a flush-draw [/ QUOTE ][ QUOTE ] river: 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] QFT, why do you put villain on a flush draw if you have no real reads???? And if this is your read why do you not follow through???? I think this is a spot many SSNL players find themselves in, namely putting a lot of money in a pot vs unknowns in marginal spots. Seriously, there is nothing wrong with folding the flop and finding a better place to get most of your stack in here... Against an unknown who just sat down you are for more +EV to play ABC poker until you get some notes on him....we are using the notes feature right???
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#9
07-08-2007, 08:12 PM
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Re: call river based on pot odds? (NL200)
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] i put him on a flush-draw [/ QUOTE ][ QUOTE ] river: 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] QFT, why do you put villain on a flush draw if you have no real reads???? And if this is your read why do you not follow through???? I think this is a spot many SSNL players find themselves in, namely putting a lot of money in a pot vs unknowns in marginal spots. Seriously, there is nothing wrong with folding the flop and finding a better place to get most of your stack in here... Against an unknown who just sat down you are for more +EV to play ABC poker until you get some notes on him....we are using the notes feature right??? [/ QUOTE ] yes sir.
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