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Old 06-29-2007, 07:19 AM
oakrdrzfan oakrdrzfan is offline
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Default Top Pair OOP against LAG

Facing the raise on the flop, what is the next step? I had about 100 hands on him and he was 0 for 3 on showdowns.

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.05/$0.10 Blinds - 9 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $16.66
Hero (BB): $11.91
UTG: $1.23
UTG+1: $12.45
MP1: $8.94
MP2: $1.60
MP3: $2.08
CO: $11.34
BTN: $1.90

Reads: <font color="blue">Villain is LAG 30/15/2.8</font>

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (9 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">UTG+1 raises to $0.50</font>, 6 folds, Hero calls $0.40

Flop: ($1.05) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $0.70</font>, <font color="red">UTG+1 raises to $2.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero ???? Raises all in/Calls/Folds???
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Old 06-29-2007, 07:35 AM
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Default Re: Top Pair OOP against LAG

Can you label your hands in future to show the buyin, ie
NL10: Top pair OOP ...etc. The micro players are getting a lot of heat for this atm and the higher stakes players will probably ignore your posts if they aren't labelled.

I posted a very similar hand recently, so I'll tell you what they told me. AQs is a perfectly good opening hand from anywhere around the ring, but oop to a raise....particularly from early in the ring....fold it, bc there's too much of a risk that you're against AK. Also, it leads to the exact problem you have here, where your position is really hampering you. If there are multiple callers, you could MAYBE think about calling for nut flush value, but that's really all it's worth here.

On the flop, he is telling you about his AK or AA. Time to fold.

On the reads, I actually find that 30 is comparatively tight for a full stack (you play Party right?). So, even with those stats, his EP range is AA-99 AK and AQ, I doubt he plays AJ. I don't from ep and I play looser than this guy.
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Old 06-29-2007, 09:45 AM
King Spew King Spew is offline
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Default Re: Top Pair OOP against LAG

30 VP$IP- comparatively tight at FR.... u must be joking.

I'm calling for flush value only. Check/fold this flop is best bet. Look ahead to all streets when bricks fall....are you calling good sized bets on all three streets?

Leading is OK...I would lead for a bit more. But as played, it's an easy fold.
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Old 06-29-2007, 09:49 AM
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Default Re: Top Pair OOP against LAG

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30 VP$IP- comparatively tight at FR.... u must be joking.


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No, I'm completely serious. This is Party, NL10. The games are loose. I have the PT stats.
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Old 06-29-2007, 09:49 AM
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Default Re: Top Pair OOP against LAG

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On the reads, I actually find that 30 is comparatively tight for a full stack (you play Party right?). So, even with those stats, his EP range is AA-99 AK and AQ, I doubt he plays AJ [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]. I don't from ep and I play looser than this guy.

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I just have to ask because this quote is sooo looney.....

This villain has a pre-flop raise % of 15.

Please tell us all what you think this range is.
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Old 06-29-2007, 09:51 AM
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Check/fold this flop is best bet.

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LOL.
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Old 06-29-2007, 09:52 AM
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Default Re: Top Pair OOP against LAG

I have, it's in your quote. What did you think I meant?
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Old 06-29-2007, 10:01 AM
King Spew King Spew is offline
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Default Re: Top Pair OOP against LAG

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EP range is AA-99 AK and AQ

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OK, this is like 6% PFR...double it for positional value. Still not 15%. Oh nevermind. I forgot 30%VP$IP is tight.

Sabre.... just say what you mean LOL. Actually add a strat for OP, but don't just add fluff. Against those numbers, I feel I'm way ahead but SpecialOne says these are tight numbers so I am TRYING to give the benefit of the doubt to someone who plays those stakes on that site.

Those numbers on FR at FTP are positively LAGgy. I would be pretty sure I'm WAY ahead on this flop on FTP.
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Old 06-29-2007, 10:08 AM
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Default Re: Top Pair OOP against LAG

According to pokerstove villain has a range of 77+,A7s+,K9s+,QTs+,JTs,ATo+,KJo+,QJo with his 15% PFR. Maybe tighten it up a bit for UTG+1 but it is still a call on the flop.
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Old 06-29-2007, 10:08 AM
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Default Re: Top Pair OOP against LAG

Just chill bro, its just a discussion. He thinks what you said was wrong, and to to be honest, so do I, we have a pair of aces and we should ask whether they are good.

Re the numbers, if you read my post, you'll see that I said "comparatively". That means, tighter than other people who play there, ok, not tighter than you. Maybe you should try Party, it's soft.
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