Flushing turn, deep vs 2p2

[cbloom]

No Limit Hold'em Ring Game (6 max) , 4 players
Blinds : $1/$2

Stacks:
UTG : $605.10 (Hero)
Button : $463.90
SB : $121
BB : $206

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $8</font>, Button calls, 2 folds.

Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($19, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $16</font>, Button calls.

Turn: 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($51, 2 players)
Hero ???


Button is probably 2+2, not sure. I've been playing awful so my image might suck.

[Jay Riall]

I bet/fold this. Still loads of worse hands that can call this bet. I doubt he raises here with anything we beat too often tbh.

[cbloom]

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I bet/fold this. Still loads of worse hands that can call this bet. I doubt he raises here with anything we beat too often tbh.

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If you bet and get called what do you do on the river?

[creative]

if its a non spade ill probably check/call most bets

id be more wary tho if the ten paired tho

[Al_Money]

I'd c/c most blank rivers. A spade river would be pretty interesting if he called the turn. Still c/c? C/f maybe?

[cbloom]

BTW so I'm clear - the reason betting is good here is because the Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] isn't really worth too much anyway, right? If you had AA with the A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] would you check-call to make sure you could see the river?

[SharkSandwich]

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BTW so I'm clear - the reason betting is good here is because the Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] isn't really worth too much anyway, right? If you had AA with the A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] would you check-call to make sure you could see the river?

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I think that's exactly it.

I had a very similar spot myself yesterday, except I'd flopped top set.

I bet the Turn (more scared about giving a free card to an overpair with flush draw) but it meant I'd butchered the hand when he raised, because I knew I was drawing live to a paired board.

Difference here is, like you say, you've not good a draw you can trust at all. If he's got the flush there's a good chance it's A-high (and even a K is enough...). So here you can fold to a raise without giving up too much. You're either ahead, or you're behind with a good posibility of drawing dead (and not being able to put any real money in even if you spike the Q hi flush).

I think the best play with the Ace of Spades probably is to check.

All this is so counter-intuitive to me because of my years-old limit brain. Bad habits I'm having to teach myself out of.

[Jay Riall]

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I bet/fold this. Still loads of worse hands that can call this bet. I doubt he raises here with anything we beat too often tbh.

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If you bet and get called what do you do on the river?

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Check/fold probably. Depends on what I think of him, his bet-size etc.

[Al_Money]

Bet/fold is much better than c/c here I think.