FT 25NL 6 max - QQ facing 4 bet preflop. Felt it or fold?

[Leviathan101]

I dunno if I should count the min raise as a real raise but... what does he raise over a 10xBB raise?

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $13.60
UTG+1: $42.30
CO: $16.80
Hero: $23.65
SB: $19
BB: $40.45

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $0.5</font>, UTG+1 calls, CO folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $2.5</font>, SB folds, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises to $7</font>, 2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero WTF??? </font>

Do I give him credit for AA or KK here? Or should I just assume he's a 25NL donk?

What is his range for making a huge raise like this? AKo, AKs, JJ+? I'm an underdog against this range right?

EDIT: On a sidenote does anyone know if poker stove evaluates hands as a equal percentage of likelyhood? And if so how do you set it up so that some hands are more likely than others?

[the machine]

fold, min raise 4bet is always AA/KK

[Leviathan101]

it's not a minraise 4 bet. He raised 2.25 times my raise.

[the machine]

no no no he minraised then 4bet is what i meant

that is usually AA/KK.

[Brent.]

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no no no he minraised then 4bet is what i meant

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Reread the action here. BB is 4betting, not UTG.

[the machine]

ohhhh whoops. its late sorry. i think i take a flop here and c/r AI on non A/K flop

[Leviathan101]

how is that superior to just shoving preflop? The best hand that has an ace or king in them, is AK itself, and I'm a favorite against that hand. it's not like AA or KK is folding to a check/raise move in or an open shove on any flop. So why not get it in now?

[the machine]

becuase you are 50 50 against ak when he sees all 5 cards. seeing a flop if we know he has ak he will only hit a pair 1/3 of the time and probably not call your all in push. we dont need to be coin flipping for stacks preflop

[the machine]

meh im thinking about this more and more and im actually not sure what line i take.... i dont think my previous line is bad but might not be optimal FWIW.

[tubasteve]

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EDIT: On a sidenote does anyone know if poker stove evaluates hands as a equal percentage of likelyhood? And if so how do you set it up so that some hands are more likely than others?

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To set some hands as more likely than others you can either use only suited or unsuited for hands like AK, i.e. if you think there is a ~25% chance he will reraise with AK preflop, put in his range as QQ+, AKs instead of QQ+, AKo, AKs.

You can also put in dead cards, which will help weight the Baysian analysis.