Rule on who shows first when check/check on river

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WSOP ME. Blinds 300/600/75 and I have 18K. I limp UTG AKs with the intention of limpreraising. Middle position limps and very aggressive big stack on the button limps. Flop comes A63. I bet 2K. Big stack calls and others fold. Turn is an 8, giving me a 2-flush. I check, big stack bets 3K and I call. River is a J and it goes check/check.

When I bet the flop, I expected villain to call and float as he did, and I didn't see any point in doing anything but check/call.

Neither of us show. I ask him to show because he bet last and he shows a 7. I again ask him to show, after a total time of a minute, villain shows K7s, which is about what I thoughthe had, and I show. Someone says I show first because I am in first position. Floorman nearby agrees, saying since there was no bet on the river, I show due to position. I said I thought person to bet last shows first in AC. Floorman says it varies by house rule. I am pretty sure online person to bet last regardless of street has hand automatically shown.

Is it true what the floorman said that the rule varies by house as to who shows when there is no bet on the river?

[mikech]

in ac last aggressor shows first. in vegas hands are shown in order of action.

[pa3lsvt]

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in ac last aggressor shows first.

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Depends on the room. Trop, this is correct (and enforced). I've seen it go down closest to the button's left first at most other rooms.

[mikech]

when i played in ac it was at the borgata 98% of the time; last aggressor shows first there as well.

[*TT*]

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Is it true what the floorman said that the rule varies by house as to who shows when there is no bet on the river?

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Floorman is correct, at WSOP cards are shown in order from the SB to the button. Last action rule applies, since the prior action was check-check you show first. The rules are different at the Borg.

[DrewOnTilt]

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when i played in ac it was at the borgata 98% of the time; last aggressor shows first there as well.

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This actually came up as a debate twice at my table there yesterday. Both times there was a bet on the flop, and the turn and the river were both checked through. Someone argued that according to Borgata policy, if there was no action on the previous 2 streets then the person in the earliest position shows first. We did not call for a floor ruling in either instance, but no one could agree on the correct procedure.

[Andy B]

It does vary from room to room, but going in order of position is more prevalent, I think. Isn't Full Tilt the only site where the last aggressor shows first?

Did you really think that a very aggressive player checked twice with a hand bigger than yours? Just show your hand and get on to the next one.

[jjshabado]

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when i played in ac it was at the borgata 98% of the time; last aggressor shows first there as well.

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This actually came up as a debate twice at my table there yesterday. Both times there was a bet on the flop, and the turn and the river were both checked through. Someone argued that according to Borgata policy, if there was no action on the previous 2 streets then the person in the earliest position shows first. We did not call for a floor ruling in either instance, but no one could agree on the correct procedure.

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Borg is most definitely the last bet/raise, regardless of street. Taj I'm pretty sure is different in that if there's no betting on the river, it goes in order of position starting at SB.

[pa3lsvt]

I dug out my copy of the NJ Poker Regs for the Razz in AC? thread, and found this:

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19:47-14.15 General operating rules for all types of poker; handling of
irregularities
(d) At the showdown, a winning hand must be clearly displayed in its entirety and properly identified. The player initiating the final wager shall be the first player to show his or her hand at the showdown; all other players who have not folded shall then reveal their hands in a clockwise rotation.

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Now we know what the rules are, and which rooms are running their games by the book. Last aggressive action is the rule, regardless of when it occurred in the hand.

[jjshabado]

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I dug out my copy of the NJ Poker Regs for the Razz in AC? thread, and found this:

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19:47-14.15 General operating rules for all types of poker; handling of
irregularities
(d) At the showdown, a winning hand must be clearly displayed in its entirety and properly identified. The player initiating the final wager shall be the first player to show his or her hand at the showdown; all other players who have not folded shall then reveal their hands in a clockwise rotation.

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Now we know what the rules are, and which rooms are running their games by the book. Last aggressive action is the rule, regardless of when it occurred in the hand.

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As a non-lawyer, it seems like a case could be made for both rules. The regulation doesn't say anything about streets, so does that mean it can be interpreted by the casino?