3-bet KTs

Sushiglutton · #1 10-24-2007, 05:30 PM

UTG is 37.4/23.7/1.9
The other guy is 40.7/18.5/0.8

Is pf too loose? River?

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Preflop: Hero is MP with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG raises, Hero 3-bets, CO calls, 3 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, CO raises, UTG folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (7.25 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.

River: (7.25 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero ???

Final Pot: 9.25 BB

Oink · #2 10-24-2007, 05:38 PM

This is taking it too far IMO

If you were OTB vs his HJ raise Id like it more. But its by no means a disastrous play

Tryptamean · #3 10-24-2007, 05:41 PM

pf is bad. I c/c river but expect to lose to CO's Qx a lot

milesdyson · #4 10-24-2007, 05:41 PM

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Is pf too loose?

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yeah imo yeah imo

river? can't bet obviously. so is J9/Tx enough of his range when he bets to justify calling? Doubt it.

Oink · #5 10-24-2007, 06:04 PM

Sushi

The thing with LAGs is that often they arent looser than you and me UTG.

You wanna punish them with 3-bets when they get closer to the button and have a wider range and when you are more sure of buying the button.

Looking to 3-bet more should be done vs players with a wide'ish range and/or players who starts folding a lot or play really honest postflop when you 3-bet

Sushiglutton · #6 10-24-2007, 06:19 PM

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Sushi

The thing with LAGs is that often they arent looser than you and me UTG.

You wanna punish them with 3-bets when they get closer to the button and have a wider range and when you are more sure of buying the button.

Looking to 3-bet more should be done vs players with a wide'ish range and/or players who starts folding a lot or play really honest postflop when you 3-bet

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I checked back on what range he showed down after raisin UTG: 44, AA, JJ, J9s, AT, ATs. Like u predicted it looks perfectly normal. So I am a dog here. He will probaly win more hands than me too given his laggier style.

I'm trying to improve my 6max play especially against LAGs. But this was not the right way obviously.

acehole60 · #7 10-24-2007, 07:53 PM

I don't like preflop either. When you win you'll often win a small pot but if you're dominated there's som grim reverse implied odds.

I think I'll c/c river getting 10:1.

rzk · #8 10-24-2007, 08:14 PM

i think he calls your river bet with more worse hands than he bets, because he has pp's in his range, so b/f>c/c.

so it's between b/f and c/f. if c/f were close to c/c, then of course b/f is better (if we accept that b/f>c/c). but i don't think it's that close - i think he will turn his pp's into bluffs significantly less often than necessary to call his bet. so there's much less incentive to try to block his bluffs with a bet.

in other words, i think b/f>c/c, but c/f>>c/c, so that makes it a c/f for me.