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Old 07-02-2007, 06:21 AM
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HU to the flop of 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Player A ( Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]) bets, player B (T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]) raises, A pushes all in, B calls.
at this point both players flip over there hands.

the turn is a K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

now for the question:
the dealer burns a card as usual, but the next card (the river card) is face up on the top of the deck. It was the 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] It wasnt exposed during the hand, and became visible after the final burn card was taken off the top of the deck, after both players were all in and had shown there hands.

what is the proper ruling and who is awarded the pot?
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Old 07-02-2007, 07:04 AM
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Default Re: Exposed card after 2 players all in - whats the proper ruling?

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NL holdem

HU to the flop of 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Player A ( Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]) bets, player B (T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]) raises, A pushes all in, B calls.
at this point both players flip over there hands.

the turn is a K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

now for the question:
the dealer burns a card as usual, but the next card (the river card) is face up on the top of the deck. It was the 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] It wasnt exposed during the hand, and became visible after the final burn card was taken off the top of the deck, after both players were all in and had shown there hands.

what is the proper ruling and who is awarded the pot?

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A boxed card is normally treated as a "scrap of paper" and does not play. It would not even be treated as a burn card.

The next card in the deck should be used as the river.
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Old 07-02-2007, 09:24 AM
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and who is awarded the pot?


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Depends what the next card in the deck is.
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Old 07-02-2007, 03:21 PM
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so the face up card is discarded and the next card is used as the river card, correct?
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Old 07-02-2007, 03:30 PM
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so the face up card is discarded and the next card is used as the river card, correct?

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Correct.

A 'boxed card', ie a card that is face up in the deck, is treated as if it did not exist. On the deal, a player is given the next card (not the top card after the deal is complete, as is the procedure when a card is face down in the deck, but exposed when dealt). When dealing the board, it is never a burn or board card.

The general rule is that two 'boxed cards' creates a misdeal.
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Old 07-02-2007, 03:39 PM
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got it, thanks bro
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