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Old 03-27-2007, 03:07 AM
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Default 100NL, KK gets value, river finishes flush draw

Villian is 20/13/1.75 over 1k+ hands, fold to cbet is 71, no other reads.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $101.30
UTG+1: $556.95
CO: $46.40
Button: $177.40
SB: $110.80
Hero: $107.15

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $3.5</font>, 4 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $11</font>, UTG calls.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($22.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $14</font>, UTG calls.

Turn: 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($50.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $31</font>, UTG calls.

River: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($112.5, 2 players)
Hero ...

(stacks are 55 or so on river)
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Old 03-27-2007, 03:11 AM
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Default Re: 100NL, KK gets value, river finishes flush draw

shove?
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Old 03-27-2007, 03:12 AM
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Default Re: 100NL, KK gets value, river finishes flush draw

I probably bet closer to full pot on turn, making the pot over $130 with less than $40 stacks and shove any river.

As played, I still shove.
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Old 03-27-2007, 03:14 AM
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Default Re: 100NL, KK gets value, river finishes flush draw

FWIW, I'm never folding this. How often does a marginal hand rep the flush on the river?
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Old 03-27-2007, 03:15 AM
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Default Re: 100NL, KK gets value, river finishes flush draw

I like a bigger turn bet, and it makes getting it on the river a much easier decision.
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Old 03-27-2007, 03:18 AM
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Default Re: 100NL, KK gets value, river finishes flush draw

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FWIW, I'm never folding this. How often does a marginal hand rep the flush on the river?

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Doesn't really matter IMO. It's only a half-pot bet and they're probably calling a push anyway.

Another reason why a bigger turn bet is better with these stack sizes. Makes it that much easier for the marginal hands to call. Betting $10 more turn a 1/2 PSB on river into a 1/3 PSB. AT isn't folding for a 1/3 PSB on river (not that he's folding a 1/2 PSB most of the time anyway).
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Old 03-27-2007, 03:19 AM
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I like a bigger turn bet

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What range calls a bigger bet? I want to rep AK, not an overpair.
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Old 03-27-2007, 03:21 AM
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Default Re: 100NL, KK gets value, river finishes flush draw

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AT isn't folding for a 1/3 PSB on river (not that he's folding a 1/2 PSB most of the time anyway).

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If you don't think he's folding the river bet as is, then why bet bigger on turn? His two-street calling range is probably larger with a slightly smaller turn bet.
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Old 03-27-2007, 03:26 AM
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Default Re: 100NL, KK gets value, river finishes flush draw

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AT isn't folding for a 1/3 PSB on river (not that he's folding a 1/2 PSB most of the time anyway).

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If you don't think he's folding the river bet as is, then why bet bigger on turn? His two-street calling range is probably larger with a slightly smaller turn bet.

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Maybe I didn't word it well.

I doubt most 100NL players will fold AT on the river, but I'm sure some will. Betting just $5-10 more on turn pretty much commits them to the pot.

Either way, hands that have stuck with you for this long aren't likely to fold to anything on the river, so shoving seems pretty straight forward.

You're debating whether checking is better I presume? Why? Marginal hands that would call an all-in will most likely check behind.
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