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05-22-2007, 01:36 AM
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QQ on a A flop, call down the whole way?
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Limit Holdem Ring game Limit: $0.50/$1 9 players Converter Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">MP1 raises</font>, 2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero 3-bets</font>, 3 folds, MP1 calls. Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (7.5SB, 2 players) <font color="#cc0000">MP1 bets</font>. I honestly dont put villan on an A, i feel like if he has an A he will check raise me on the flop.. His flop line looks more like JJ TT to me. So i want to call down the whole way, is that ok? 
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#3
05-22-2007, 05:34 AM
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Re: QQ on a A flop, call down the whole way?
Do you have any reads on this guy?
His line does look like 99-QQ. Also worriesome is the propensity for players at low limits to do weird [censored] like call a 3-bet on a KhJh, which could be troublesome too.
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#4
05-22-2007, 05:45 AM
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Re: QQ on a A flop, call down the whole way?
I try to see showdown as cheaply as possible unless I improve. I take note at what he shows too. Most often, this isn't a strong ace because most players check/raise this flop. If they have something like AT or A9, they very well may check the turn for fear that you have them outkicked.
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#5
05-22-2007, 05:54 AM
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Re: QQ on a A flop, call down the whole way?
agt, vill will always bet a gain with 99 if he doesn't meet resistance.
If you guys wanna see a cheap showdown, then raise flop and lead turn, check behind on river. An unknown doesn't 3bet a draw oop, and a 3bet on the flop would ALWAYS mean he does have an ace. Likewise you can fold to a donk on the turn (or a c/r, for that matter) as that is always TP or better too. You might get him to lay down his 77 or whatever, if he indeed has that, but that's the price you have to pay for the info that he donks less than TP.
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#6
05-22-2007, 06:14 AM
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Re: QQ on a A flop, call down the whole way?
I don't like taking the lead on the turn because I don't want a scare card to come and have to fold. I don't want the T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] to fall and be charged another bet to a check-raise. Three-bets sometimes means flush draws, like KQ [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and I don't want to miss the extra money. You only save .5BB if you raise the flop, lead turn and check river. There is a large possibility that you can be played back at since this opponent takes away the initiative.
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#7
05-22-2007, 06:28 AM
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Re: QQ on a A flop, call down the whole way?
3bets when? flop? Right. Sometimes. But we're in a readless situation, and from a guy oop, they generally do not.
[ QUOTE ] There is a large possibility that you can be played back at since this opponent takes away the initiative. [/ QUOTE ] You know more than I do...
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#8
05-22-2007, 06:30 AM
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Re: QQ on a A flop, call down the whole way?
[ QUOTE ]
I don't like taking the lead on the turn because I don't want a scare card to come and have to fold. I don't want the T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] to fall and be charged another bet to a check-raise. Three-bets sometimes means flush draws, like KQ [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and I don't want to miss the extra money. You only save .5BB if you raise the flop, lead turn and check river. There is a large possibility that you can be played back at since this opponent takes away the initiative. [/ QUOTE ] Are you really going to fold when you improve to the 4-flush? You know that him having KQ[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] is impossible right?
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#9
05-22-2007, 06:30 AM
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Re: QQ on a A flop, call down the whole way?
Villian did donk the flop instead of c/r
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#10
05-22-2007, 06:31 AM
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Re: QQ on a A flop, call down the whole way?
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] I don't like taking the lead on the turn because I don't want a scare card to come and have to fold. I don't want the T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] to fall and be charged another bet to a check-raise. Three-bets sometimes means flush draws, like KQ [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and I don't want to miss the extra money. You only save .5BB if you raise the flop, lead turn and check river. There is a large possibility that you can be played back at since this opponent takes away the initiative. [/ QUOTE ] Are you really going to fold when you improve to the 4-flush? You know that him having KQ[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] is impossible right? [/ QUOTE ] Opps, like KJ [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]... You knew what I meant.
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