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Old 05-02-2007, 06:39 AM
SilentNoise SilentNoise is offline
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Default 200nl - 3bet pot with JJ, overpair on flop gets raised all in

villain in this hand is a 22/18/3

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SB: $139.05
BB: $287.15
<font color="black">UTG: $214.75</font>
<font color="black">Hero (MP): $233.70</font>
CO: $318.15
BTN: $57

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $7</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $25</font>, CO folds, BTN folds, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls $18

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($53) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $42</font>, <font color="red">UTG raises to $110</font>, Hero ????


Been running terrible recently so looking over some of my hands which I have been having trouble on. I cant really beat anything but a bluff, but are bluffs a big enough part of his range to justify a call? I think if this was him open raising on the button, me 3betting, me leading the flop, and him pushing all in...id be more inclined to call, because he expects me to be 3betting pretty light and cbetting alot on any flop, but since he raised UTG and i 3bet from UTG+1, i think his range is allowed smaller.

Is it a leak to stack off here if it was me 3betting from the BB, him flat calling preflop, and then he shoves over my cbet? I think i normally stack off there...but when its utg vs utg+1 i thought it was a bit more tricky.
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Old 05-02-2007, 06:40 AM
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Default Re: 200nl - 3bet pot with JJ, overpair on flop gets raised all in

no history i fold, i also bet less on the flop
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Old 05-02-2007, 06:45 AM
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Default Re: 200nl - 3bet pot with JJ, overpair on flop gets raised all in

How much less? If i bet something like 30 isn't that faking weakness, which is more likely to get c/r all in with trash? My standard cbet in all pots whether raised, or 3bet is 80%ish. Is that too much?

I have alot of history with villan calling me down light and stuff. Hes a regular (p0ck3tp3ar)..and we often 3bet each other n stuff. Hes called me down with top pair no kicker in reraised pots when i triple barrel bluff...and called down with underpairs(one overcard on flop) when i 3bet preflop and raise over his donkbet n stuff.
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Old 05-02-2007, 06:48 AM
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Default Re: 200nl - 3bet pot with JJ, overpair on flop gets raised all in

What about if he opens on the button i 3bet from the bb, he flat calls. i cbet he shoves. should i be calling there? i think because hes more likely to play back at me in that situation i should be more willing to call, coz he knows im 3betting a wide range coz i know hes raising a wide range on the button so i know hes gonna play back at e light beause of that.
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Old 05-02-2007, 03:47 PM
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Default Re: 200nl - 3bet pot with JJ, overpair on flop gets raised all in

bump for evening readers
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Old 05-02-2007, 03:50 PM
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Default Re: 200nl - 3bet pot with JJ, overpair on flop gets raised all in

Your flop bet is fine. If you wanted to slim it down the lowest you could go is $37.

The only hand you are beating is flush draw so... Fold it!
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Old 05-02-2007, 04:10 PM
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Default Re: 200nl - 3bet pot with JJ, overpair on flop gets raised all in

Even if this is a bluff you don't want to play a guessing game with him... fold and find another spot where you can be more certain about your range vs his range... fold it and move on
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Old 05-02-2007, 04:51 PM
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Default Re: 200nl - 3bet pot with JJ, overpair on flop gets raised all in

Meh... I definitely fold in this spot. We are often up against set.
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Old 05-02-2007, 04:54 PM
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Default Re: 200nl - 3bet pot with JJ, overpair on flop gets raised all in

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no history i fold, i also bet less on the flop

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Old 05-02-2007, 04:55 PM
Imrahil Imrahil is offline
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Default Re: 200nl - 3bet pot with JJ, overpair on flop gets raised all in

Throw in some stupid hands like A8 of clubs and we're still in bad shape.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

22,770 games 0.005 secs 4,554,000 games/sec

Board: Tc 7s 2c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 12.762% 12.76% 00.00% 2906 0.00 { JdJs }
Hand 1: 87.238% 87.24% 00.00% 19864 0.00 { QQ+, TT, AcKc, AcQc }


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