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Lost on QQ hand
CO was a complete 60-40 donkey.
Button was 25/9/1 Party Poker 200NL No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) BB ($244.75) UTG ($210) MP ($179.70) CO ($207.33) Button ($228) Hero ($222) Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $1. <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $8</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $25</font>, Hero (poster) calls $24, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls $17. Flop: ($77) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $55</font>, CO folds, Button calls $55. Turn: ($187) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, Button checks. River: ($187) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $100</font>, Hero folds. |
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Re: Lost on QQ hand
I think you have to bet the turn here to protect your hand from hands like TT/JJ/AKs which the button all could have had from his raise preflop. After the flop, you have already put in 1/3 of your stack and have $142 left. Considering the pot size, I think shoving is an option here. I would definitely like more experienced posters to comment on this please.
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Re: Lost on QQ hand
c/c flop and then c/f turn
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Re: Lost on QQ hand
Another ugly QQ hand in the SB.
I think I probably call the river bet. You've checked to him twice, even a passive player like this will have a crack here with AK, TT-JJ a fair amount of the time, and you're getting almost 3-1... |
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Re: Lost on QQ hand
Why are you checking the turn. You should consider calling the river/he will not always have the flush here. He could very easily have TT or JJ here/or maybe a badly played AK
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Re: Lost on QQ hand
gettin almost 3-1 on a 9 high board against a pfr...isnt this an instacall?
Based on villains play i think we can rule out AA, KK |
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Re: Lost on QQ hand
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gettin almost 3-1 on a 9 high board against a pfr...isnt this an instacall? Based on villains play i think we can rule out AA, KK [/ QUOTE ] Well, it's a preflop re-raise from a tight raiser who got called pf from the SB, then got led into, and still hung around. That's not nothing. |
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Re: Lost on QQ hand
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[ QUOTE ] gettin almost 3-1 on a 9 high board against a pfr...isnt this an instacall? Based on villains play i think we can rule out AA, KK [/ QUOTE ] Well, it's a preflop re-raise from a tight raiser who got called pf from the SB, then got led into, and still hung around. That's not nothing. [/ QUOTE ] 9 is a pretty tight preflop raise % but by no means limits us to aa,kk for his range.. Of the ranges that we should be worried about, i just dont think aa,kk, aks play the hand this way. They should have been raising all 3 of those in position on the flop to discourage flush chasers (or in aks situation to build a pot where he is almost always a coin flip). In position to not bet the turn with a big hand either is questionable So all that leads to me callin his 1/2 pot bet...if he had a case of FPS then so be it he will donate back soon enoug |
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Re: Lost on QQ hand
Does anyone else like a line of c/c flop, lead turn here?
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Re: Lost on QQ hand
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] gettin almost 3-1 on a 9 high board against a pfr...isnt this an instacall? Based on villains play i think we can rule out AA, KK [/ QUOTE ] Well, it's a preflop re-raise from a tight raiser who got called pf from the SB, then got led into, and still hung around. That's not nothing. [/ QUOTE ] 9 is a pretty tight preflop raise % but by no means limits us to aa,kk for his range.. Of the ranges that we should be worried about, i just dont think aa,kk, aks play the hand this way. They should have been raising all 3 of those in position on the flop to discourage flush chasers (or in aks situation to build a pot where he is almost always a coin flip). In position to not bet the turn with a big hand either is questionable So all that leads to me callin his 1/2 pot bet...if he had a case of FPS then so be it he will donate back soon enoug [/ QUOTE ] I call too. I said so above I also raise the flop and bet the turn if I'm villain with AA or KK. But remember, this is a passive opponent. You can't just assume he'll play his hand rationally. All I'm saying is that when I hit the call button I'm not at all sure that I'm ahead, and I'm pleased I didn't have to commit my whole stack. |
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