Re: Some akward turn spots
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i agree with what you said but i dont see how this leads you to conclude that we have 12 outs against any hand that is shoving for value here
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Vs KQ/KJ/QJ
A- 2 outs
T - 4 outs
6 outs to hit aces up
2+4+6 = 12
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mother [censored]... thx for the schooling, i forgot about the T
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