[redbeard]

thanks for the input cartman. do you agree with my assesment of your scenerios? in that you are probably going to showdown unless an ace hits the turn and the villan is then willing to bet both the turn and river. and that you would be willing to call pretty much everything else including if an ace hits on the river (maybe folding a king turn and ace river). with the exception of boards that become 4 flush or 4 straight.