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Thremp,
You might want to check out this link before trying to refute hogua's story any further.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vpFREE/message/79002
It looks like hogua's got his fact right - for once - this time.
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Yahoo links suck. I feel no need to give up my first born to view a link -- copy and post it.
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I posted the link, but I'm not going to copy a whole thread in a forum discussion because you don't want to be bothered with a yahoo link.
If you want to read it, then do what needs to be done to view it. Otherwise, either forget the whole subject or admit that hogua was posting accurate information - for a change.