[CharlieDontSurf]

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Why wouldn't he? Boras gets a cut. Wow, seriously.

Zutroy, Charlie isn't even bothering to directly respond to your point because he knows how asinine it is.

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Yeah, I don't know. I though this was pretty straightforward stuff.

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lol

Zutroy doesn't believe that the Yankees would have offered 10 years and 275 or even anything above that unless he opts out and is a free agent.

Yet when Alex is a free agent...virtually no one is making the kind of offers the Yankees are able to make. Alex has to come back to the Yankees and do negotiations on their terms..and they throw up 10 years 275 as essentially the offer they are fine with giving.

What exactly did opting out do to drive up the price?
Was it the fact that the Yankees saw that no one else was going to pay more than 8 years 225? Was it the fact that Boras was removed from negotiations?

Tell me what exactly enabled Arod to get a better deal than what he could have gotten if he had bothered to negotiate pre-opt out.

Posada got a amazing deal that in most people's eyes was to much for that old of a catcher, same with Rivera...why did they get these huge deals? Cuz the [censored] Yankees didn't want them to hit the open market. Could they have gotten a better deal by becoming free agents..possibly...but they could have also gotten a worse.

If Boras negotiates non stop with the Yankees there is no way he doesn't get 10 years 275 min. The Yankees were hapy to give that to Arod last week...they would be happy with that deal pre-opt out.He most likely gets more. Why?
Because the Yankees have said we're not negotiating if u opt out so basically they said to everyone "we have to sign u in these next 10 days or we lose you for good".

If they are on the 9th day with one left to go and the Yankees offer the same offer they gave Arod last week when he has NO leverage(275/10)...and Boras comes back with 10 years but 30 million per year and revenue.You think the Yankees are going to be "OMG an extra 30 million? No way thats craazy...we'll sign Mike Lowell to 4 years instead."

The Yankees never made an official offer. Boras essentially said [censored] you and [censored] your offers we're opting out cuz we can get the best deal on the open market. He didn't even try t see if he could get a huge deal pre-opt out.

Thats the amazing thing...Boras didn't try to milk the Yankees and see how high they would go before the opt out date. Negotiating wise that is where he screwed up...not to mention making his client look like a douche.

Arod still got a great deal but Boras mishandled the whole thing. He did not do a great job because Arod got a huge contract from the Yankees...Arod would have gotten a huge contract from the Yankees regardless.

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How do you know that the Yankees' starting offer was 10yr/275mill before he opted out? Link? I haven't read anything to that effect and the Yankees' would have been bat-[censored] insane to offer such a contract if the market was as cold as you seem to believe. Their starting offer was likely something much lower or for not nearly as many years, causing Boras and A-Rod to opt out. Once he opted out, Boras received the 8/225 offer. The Yankees responded with this new one. Correct me if any part of this is not factually correct because I'm having a hard time finding a solid timeline on the internets. Btw, which deal is better for A-Rod and which is better for the Yankees in your opinion, 5/150 or 10/275?

Also, about the Posada/Rivera deals. Yes the Yankees overpay for certain players but neither of those deals is nearly as large as this one. It's not even close. Just because they are willing to overspend on smaller deals doesn't mean they are willing to do so on the much larger ones. A terrible analogy would be overpaying for groceries and booze and the like but then negotiating for much larger items, like a car or a house.

Edited to add a quick reminder: A-ROD IS THRITY-TWO YEARS OLD AND HE JUST SINGED THE LONGEST AND LARGEST CONTRACT IN MLB HISTORY. HOW DID BORAS FAIL???? DO YOU REALLY THINK THE YANKEES STARTED AT OR WERE WILLING TO GO TO TEN YEARS BEFORE HE OPTED OUT?

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He didn't fail. but he did a poor job as an agent at trying to get his client the best deal humanly possible while still maintaining a positive image for his client


and yes the Yankees would have gone to 10 years pre-opt out.
Their 1st offer was 8 years.
Your honestly telling me that if arod says I walk unless u go to 10 the Yanks are going to say...ok we'll go with W. Betemit.

Arod would possibly be chasing the HR record in those last two years( that would be huge amount sof $$ for the Yankees that would easily off set overpaying for an old player) if he isn't chasing that record...THEY'RE THE [censored] YANKEES. The can afford to over pay at the end of the contract in order to keep a player.