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Old 11-19-2007, 06:10 PM
Marduk Marduk is offline
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Default Re: Second pair and nut flush draw OOP

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admittedly the difference between 2.5 and 3bb is small at 20/40

but still you're raising over 3bb with a weak hand OOP

"LOL."

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3x is perfect in this spot since it's early and stacks are still deep. no one will ever say "man, i wish i had saved those extra 25 chips by 2.5xing it instead." plus being oop is another reason to raise more since sometimes people will throw their hand away for that extra t25. if you only make bigger raises with your real hands, then you're playing super exploitably.

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bet more of the flop because your hand is worth a lot but likely to be behind an A that calls/raises your bet.


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first off, you're not behind an ace and second, isn't that a reason to bet less?

pokenum -h kd jd - ac 2c -- ad jh 3d
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing Ad 3d Jh
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Kd Jd 505 51.01 485 48.99 0 0.00 0.510
Ac 2c 485 48.99 505 51.01 0 0.00 0.490

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im far from a nit but i've also realized that ADVISING people to open wider and putting them in unfamiliar (read: uncomfortable) situations is not the best way to give advice.

betting more on the flop/turn help define villains hand more/charge draws. also it creates a bigger pot for the villain to bluff at on the river as played.

being an uber-nit is one thing. but being spewy will win you even less tournaments.


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ok well now you're just saying too many things now. you're "far from a nit" but opening kjdd in ep is spewy? if you advocate smaller raises pf, then why are you telling him to bloat the pot oop postflop? is that not a spew? also, why do you want to charge draws here? villains calling with draws is basically the best thing that can happen here.

on a last note, if someone is trying to develop a laggier style of play, then playing more pots and being in tougher spots is exactly how to get better. harder spots cause people to think, and if they can learn from that, then they're improving. telling people to play in a style where their decisions are outlined for them does absolutely nothing to help them improve their play. that's what this forum is about, not coming in here and insulting posters while giving sub-optimal at best advice.
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