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Old 10-31-2007, 07:49 PM
fabadam fabadam is offline
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Default Re: Will my limit game improve?


I disagree.. I think playing NL can definitely help your limit game.

When playing NL, you can pass up some thin equity because you can make it up fairly easily. This is not so true in limit and you really begin to see where those small value bets in limit are. I think coming from limit to NL, you will quickly see situations where you routinely bet/raise/peel in limit wash away in NL and turn into calls/folds (though sometimes peeling in NL is correct when it would be a fold in limit). Getting a better understanding of this dynamic will hopefully open your eyes to better value plays in limit.



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On further introspection and experience, I have to agree. My 1st experience of playing limit after returning from NL was that I just couldn't fold anymore: I was always getting good odds it seems. Of course, I really wasn't, because my reads (i.e., the ranges I put them on) were just way off base for limit.
When you learn to re-adjust, and LOOK AGAIN AT THE SITUATION FROM VILLAIN's VIEWPOINT, NL actually forms a good experience: it is basically enriching your overall poker feel.

I have now, on several occasions, called down on reads where I just felt I shouldn't, but couldn't bring myself to folding. Every single time, I was beat when the money went in.

So yes, my personal experience now (just a few nights of analysed play) is that NL van help your limit, but only if you are able to use your overall knowledge to make better estimates about the overall poker situation. That is not easy.
In limit, you still have to call down, or even value bet 2-pair situations that would be an insta-muck at NL.
Also, you still should value bet hands that check to induce a bluff at NL (I make that mistake at limit at least 2 times/100 now, I think).
There's more.

So yes, on further experimentation I agree, tat it can help, but only because it simply helps you in being a better overall poker player.

The differences are so large, that almost all automatic moves of NL, do not apply at limit, and vice versa.


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Also, somewhat poor limit players can really gain by playing NL. IMO, new players to NL should really be tightening up their holdings so they do not get raped repeatedly. This can only be good for the poor limit player whose largest leak is typically playing too loose and the fear of facing monster bets can actually tighten a player up especially if they've been bitten a few times.


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I've only ever been able to play really TAG, when I was playing strict SSHE by the book. Ever since going mostly 6-max, I've been a semi-LAG, and it fits me well, so I don't really know.
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