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Old 11-21-2007, 03:22 PM
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Default Re: weak one card OESD?

Tyler, I almost always find I've made a mistake when I disagree with you but I'm having trouble this time.

So what is our flop raise supposed to accomplish? Do we want the hands that we beat when we hit to fold here? Do we really think we want to get HU with SB? Is the pot already big enough to be thinking that at this point? Do we think SB might fold to our raise?
All possibilities considered can it really be a value raise?

Wouldn't we need some specific reads to make a raise the best play here? Even then what would those reads have to be?

Sushi posted some maths but they made my head explode and they are all based on ranges that aren't supported by reads. I'm going to look at them again but I doubt I'll figure that out by myself either.

Over all I think even if you (Tyler) are right this is a WAY to thin play for many of us to make even if we had good reads, and we would just end up screwing up a pretty easy hand to play. (As in call and draw so long as we have pot odds.)
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