[shpanko]

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I think this whole area of the game (turning made hands that figure to be good a large % of the time into bluffs) deserves alot of discussion

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I agree with this, and it's something I've been experimenting a lot with recently and it's a very tricky aspect of the game to get just right.

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2+2 makes me sad for the amount of close-minded thinking on these forums

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You've had some very solid posters/players respond to your thread and give you similar advice. I know that Imrahil, Rudikulous and I are always open to crazy bluffs and new lines as the three of us are pretty creative (sometimes too much so lol) at the tables. So the fact that the responses you've gotten say that a shove is unnecessary should tell you that it really is in this spot, and believe me I for one love bluff shoving rivers [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

One last thing, the fact that you said this:

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People that play 200 on stars know that i am a regular who plays very crazy in 3b pots. I can float this flop with complete air, and often will do so

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Makes me think you should not be trying to bluff people in this type of spot :P