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I don't get why people aren't more troubled about this. Getting rid of the IRS is one of the centerpieces of his campaign, as well as one of the hugest policy changes in the last 50 years. Many of the arguments he's using to support it are misleading at best, and false in a lot of cases. When I started a thread about this a month ago, a lot of RP supporters believed that the IT could be completely eliminated just by cutting some discretionary funding. Probably better than 90% of RP supporters now still believe that. And we still have no specifics on what "Dr. Paul" would replace the income tax with.

It's really kind of frightening. Just because the guy says he loves the Constitution doesn't mean you should automatically trust him when he makes vague, misleading statements to explain why he should be given an enormous amount of power.

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Completely eliminating the income tax would only cut our spending back to 199X levels. Ron would cut more spending than that. No need to replace it with anything.

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NO IT WOULDN'T!! RON PAUL IS LYING WHEN HE SAYS THIS!! (and I guarantee when he says that he's planning to tax 2009 dollars and spend them in 1998)

Look at the numbers. Setting payroll taxes and SS aside, money raised from non-income tax sources wouldn't cover interest payments.

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You are lying.

Including the income tax, money raised from payroll and SS, plus non-IT sources, plus the IT doesn't cover the Federal budget, by a gigantic amount. What is raised in the IT is a fraction of the spending levels. Just because it is a larger fraction of the tax revenue doesn't mean jack. You emphatically could remove the IT, leave everything else the same, and go back to 199X levels of spending.

The individual income tax accounts for about $1.3T out of a total Federal budget of $3T. Removing it would leave you with a budget of $1.7T, the Federal budget of 1999. Your mileage might vary, but not by much.

The only case that you might have is that the IRS administers more than just the individual income tax. However, you'd still be wrong there, since all Paul has said he wants to do is get rid of the income tax and the IRS, he has NOT said that payroll taxes and the excise tax (for example) could not be collected by SOME agency, just not an evil bloated bureaucracy like the IRS. In fact, since he has stated OVER AND OVER AGAIN that he would not touch the major entitlement programs that people are dependent upon (Medicaid, Medicare, SS), but would instead let young people opt out by saving a trillion dollars on empire and pork, it is pretty OBVIOUS that he his platform does not include abolition of payroll taxes.

You should check your [censored] before calling people liars.