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Old 11-19-2007, 06:48 PM
Mojo Tooth Mojo Tooth is offline
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Default Re: flat calling with quads on the river

This is the first time I'm really analyzing an o8 hand so be gentle if I'm screwing this up.

We know the button gets half the pot. So he gets half your bets and half of the other low's bets. So, with that in mind, here are the various different scenarios:

- No reraise by button, hero calls
hero puts in two bets, CO puts in two bets. Four total. EV=2.

- Reraise by button, one fold, one call
Hero puts in one bet, CO puts in three bets. Four total. EV=2.

He nets the same with either of the two scenarios he proposes. So his thinking was incorrect, but it doesn't hurt him based on what we've looked at so far.

HOWEVER. There are also other scenarios that we need to see to get the whole picture. From his perspective, there is small possibility that somebody actually playing at him with 66 or TT in pocket. There is also the possibility that BOTH the other players fold to a reraise.

- Button reraises, one fold, scoops pot. EV=4
- Button reraises, two folds. EV=3

To know how likely he thinks these two are, we need to know the betting that happened throughout the hand. However, suffice to say the probability is non-zero.

There is also a small possibility that hero folds based on the CO's raise and it doesn't matter whether or not villain calls. This last scenario is:

- Button calls, one fold:
Hero puts in one bet, CO puts in two. EV=1.5

So in other words, if he flat calls his overall EV is lower than two bets. If he reraises, his overall EV is higher than two bets. Conclusively, he made the wrong play.
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