[elindauer]

UTGs bet is to be respected... my range calculator tells me he's flopped an ace or better about half the time, and that's before we know that he bets into a clearly highly protected pot.

That said, if we assume that UTG bets any pair of aces or better, we still have pretty good equity against him, at least, relative to the size of the pot. Pokerstove says we have 12% (7.3:1) against this hand range. Even if we add in a club draw AND give big blind the same range as UTG, we still have 6.3%. Getting 16:1, we could call if we were closing the action.

However, since we're NOT calling, and this is a pretty action-oriented flop, we have to fold. It's way too risk to make a speculative call here with so many players still to act. If we end up putting in 2 bets on this flop, we're losing money.

Preflop, you could fold, though I don't mind your call given your expectation that there will be five players to the flop. Obviously they are calling with lots of garbage, so that mitigates your domination concerns.


On the turn... tough spot. I like your decision to fold when it's 2 cold back to you the 2nd time. When it's 2 cold the first time... yikes. You're getting 7:1 immediately though... I think calling is fine. If UTG really has you drawing dead, it's a bit odd that he didn't 3-bet the flop and has preferred to face the field with 2 cold on the turn. You could be dead to either him or the BB of course though, so 7:1 may not be enough of an overlay. Close decision either way (better to have avoided it by mucking the flop [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]).

good luck.
Eric