Re: whats better to call or shove this flop
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The fact that so many people are interested in this flop reduces the EV of shoving, since many of our outs are likely to be out in the other players' hands.
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Our non-outs are also likely to be held in other players' hands as well so this point is moot, unless you're contending that people are more likely to call with draws then with pairs n junk, which is true. Still, I wouldn't take more than one out away from us when doing EV calcs for that observation.
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