[DevinLake]

I don't really see what the difference between:

(just villain action).

bet turn, bet river, call raise, and;

bet turn, call raise, check river, call bet is?

And I don't see why if he'll call a river raise, why he won't call a turn raise and river bet? They rep the same hands, his hand will have equal value against your range and both lines are close in cost.

However, when you don't raise the turn, he often doesn't bet a lot of his range on the river. Instead, he often c/c. Your call of his turn bet shows a lot of strength when you were the preflop raiser. It's hard for him to put you on much less than a big A any way you play it. And if he chooses to c/c, you have definitely lost value.

There probably isn't much of a difference between lines here really. But, IMO you are over estimating the frequency he bluffs/thin vb's that river and maybe under estimating how often they call the turn raise.

But, I've been wrong before...