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Old 11-30-2007, 03:08 AM
xorbie xorbie is offline
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Default Re: San Fransisco bans Plastic bags from Grocery stores

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If a voluntary interaction between A and B affects C (and I agree this is possible), then you may very well have an involuntary transaction. In those cases, you now have a non-arbitrary "line".

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Ok, but what if I tell you that 99% of what you might consider "voluntary transactions" do affect 3rd parties, and thus are "involuntary". So, again, where do we draw the line?

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Oh, so anyone who wants to can replace their *local* elected representative on a whim as you suggested they do if they aren't satisfied?


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Of course they can't change it on a whim, that would be absurd. But presumably people would choose to surround themselves with others who share some core values, philosophies and cultural traditions (we call this a community). When their elected officials act in a way that violates these fundamental tenets, it should be fairly easy to rally up the support of one's neighbors. If you find that you are unable to do so, you ought to consider that maybe your neighbors don't, for the most part, share your values and philosophies and that you ought to find a new community.
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