[NickMPK]

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If you keep political ideology out of the state... how do you still have a state? Minimum wage - political ideology discussion. Invading a country - political ideology discussion.

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Right - there should not be a state. Just how we have different houses of worship with no forced inclusion, so we should treat political ideology the same. If you want to join a socialist kibbutz, fine. You want to pay high taxes for certain services, fine. You want to live in freedom, fine. etc.

The question is when does one ideology have the right to take control of a central system of exclusive control such as the government. My answer is it doesn't for the same reasons a specific religious ideology has no right to invade a central system like government

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Nobody is forcing you to retain the citizenship you were born with. If you think the political ideology of another country is better, then move there. If you want to enjoy the prosperity that that liberal democracy has brought us, then you have to accept some of its coercive elements as well.

BTW, I don't understand your apparent differentiation between "state" and "government".