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Old 11-18-2007, 07:45 PM
Proofrock Proofrock is offline
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Default Re: Button vs. BB, akward stacksize for shoving

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Reraise - I'd make it about 6k.

Calling OOP with 66 is not a good move imo - what is our plan on the flop with these stack sizes, if we don't hit the set, what will we do if BB shoves...

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I really don't like 3-betting to t6000 here.

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Now you have to tell us why you don't like it - thats the idea behind this forum.

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Because it leaves us getting better than 2 to 1 to call a shove from Button vs. a range that we're just barely a 2 to 1 dog against so it has approximately the same risk/reward as a shove.

Put another way, I think that by 3-betting to 6000 we're both committing ourselves to calling a shove while allowing Villain to play perfectly and restricting both Villain's shoving and calling range to one that beats us.

Also, 3betting doesn't help us with any of the other problems you brought up. If Hero just calls and BB shoves, Hero calls if Button folds and folds otherwise. If we call and don't hit our set, we can play poker based on board texture ... if we 3-bet and get flat-called we're shoving the flop and praying for a fold.

I should say, I think this is a tough spot and all of our options are tough. We barely have set odds to flat-call, our stack is too big to 3bet-shove but too small to 3bet/fold. I'd probably call with antes and fold without them, but I'm a nit who sucks at poker.
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