[jwc529]

maybe out of league is too harsh, but certainly worse. they both seem to ante away chips early, and Hellmuth is more concerned with having the best hand hold up then accumulating chips. When he does raise with marginal holdings he gets raised off of them or taken away on flop. Nobody raised Ivey's limps light because they know he can come over the top with nothing or defend in pos., hellmuth will just fold. All of his dark checking and pot control poker makes it much harder for him to bluff or get any value.