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Old 11-22-2007, 04:55 PM
coyotej coyotej is offline
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Default Re: my first NL hnad post...

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First thought is: you have to know if this player is capable of 3-betting you without a premium hand (QQ-AA).

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He definitely will be.


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I should have said "4-betting you with a premium" here.
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Without a read, and assuming he's not getting extra aggro, your only hope is that he has another AKo/AKs, which means you're pretty much NEVER ahead here.

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This is 100% not true, because not only will AQ look you up, so will KK a lot of the time.


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Though really I'm asking whether he will 4-bet PF with AQo. Entirely possible he will, though we currently have no stats on this player, we have no true sense of his range. I'm simply saying we're not often ahead here without knowing more.
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As played, you put 32.5BB in the pot (1/3 of your stack) with a big drawing hand. Since he called your flop-shove, he has to have AA, AK, or 99

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Or a host of other hands, in fact, depending on the player.

Anyway, who cares what he has after he calls?


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I was only surmising what was likely based on the post. It wasn't part of a how-he-played-the-hand analysis.
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fold-preflop

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Do not do this. You will be crushed in six-max games if you give up AKs to a small reraise.


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You're totally right on this one, that was something I said that was very wrong, don't know what I was thinking when I wrote that. Raise >>>>> Call >>> Fold.
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which honestly may be the best play

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If you ever fold this hand, getting 3 to 1, I will personally hunt you down and skin you.


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Fair enough.
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(again, assuming the raiser is straightforward).

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Why am I assuming that?
And straightforward != insanely tight.


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This is an assumption, not a statement of fact.
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Note with the fold, you're only down 12BB here.

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Even my granny doesn't fold here.


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Why would your granny necessarily play tight?
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Without knowing the tendencies of the players at the table, only so much analysis can be done, but I believe what I've described is reasonably standard for 100NL 6max.

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I think most NL players will push in this spot. Folding is pretty ridiculous, and calling is a bit meh.

As played, the shove is fine. I bet he showed you AJ and rivered you.

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Agreed re: flop shove, there's really no other play at that stage... We pretty much beat KK, QQ, JJ, AQ, and I don't necessarily expect a call from the 3 pocket-pairs.
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