Re: Why Limit?
As I respond to your post I want anyone reading this to know I'm not responding as an owner of DeucesCracked or a moderator of this forum (in fact I wish this were posted in another forum just to avoid any question of my bias) but as an outraged limit player at your horrible logic, reasoning, arguments, and debating "tactics".
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The variance in LHE is greater than NL because your player edge vs your opponents in LHE is less.
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This depends a whole heck of a lot on many variables, such as your skill, game selection, and stakes. I don't see why we should accept this generalization.
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Stox, a LHE master/guru, recently just switched to NL and he's already making "more money at NL overall".
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What do you mean by "recently"? Stox has been playing NL for years. Also his response was:
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I think I make more money at NL overall, but I do still play both for sure.
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To which you conclude that he has "switched to NL"? My reading comprehension could probably use some work but all he said was he plays both and makes more money at NL (which could be due to any number of factors). And finally if your premise that he "switched to NL" which you basically imply means exclusively NL, than it would be obvious that he "makes more money at NL overall" if he exclusively played it and is a winning player! (obv)
Oh, and what's with the "LHE master/guru" talk - I've never even spoken to Nick but I would assume this would embarrass him. So what are all the other high stakes limit pros? I'm sure Stox is a great limit player but if you think he has some secret guru skills that other high stakes guys don't you are just placing him on a ridiculous pedestal.
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Stox admits that he would have a tough time turning a profit at small stakes limit hold'em vs 5 regulars.
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Again you basically misquote what he said. A table of 5 2+2 quality winning players is not "5 regulars". And when exactly would this super table even occur? You think all the regular 3/6 6 max 2+2ers are just sitting around passing chips back and forth with each other hoping they can break even and collect rakeback? Come on.
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once again it comes down to the difference in skill level being less in limit.
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This conclusion is just a huge leap in logic from the first sentence quoted above. Nobody asked Nick how he would fare at a small stakes NL table of 5 winning 2+2ers either, why would you conclude he would expect to crush that hypothetical game?
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While small stakes limit hold'em players are breaking even/barely making a profit/making most of their money off rakeback
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Where does this even come from? You are just making these things up as you go aren't you? You're saying if I go over to the small stakes shorthanded forum right now and ask the regular posters for their results for the last few months, I'm going to find on average they are breaking even? If you truly believe this I'd love to test that theory out.
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small stakes NL players are doubling up once and making what a small stakes NL player makes in a day, maybe two.
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I'll assume you meant "small stakes limit player" in the second part of that sentence. What does this sentence even mean? One, the stakes for the limit and NL player would obviously have to be known to have a fair comparison. Two, apparently in NL all I have to do is wait until I double up and then I can quit for the day! I guess NL players never have a losing day or even lose a buyin huh?
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Top LHE players would be lucky to make $1 million a year while top NL players are making $1 million a month. Limit is so bottle-necked.
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As with the rest of your vague generalities, this would depend on your definition of "top". Which NL players are making a million a month by the way? Highstakesdb.com shows only a couple people up over a million on the year, shouldn't there be a few making 12 million or so according to you? I read a lot of posts on 2+2, including BBV, and I can only think of ONE person who has made a million dollars in a month that was posted about - that would be The Bryce in October at guess what - LIMIT.
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If you go to a casino, and there are 9 high vpip donks at a NL table, and 9 high vpip donks at LHE table, where do you honestly think you're going to win most of your hands?
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This gibberish pretty much means nothing as far as I can read and understand, but if the other "donks" at the table all have a high vpip you are probably going to be playing pretty tight to exploit that. And who cares where I win the most hands? I'm trying to win the most MONEY.
-DeathDonkey
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