[surftheiop]

Phil what are you trying to prove here? That the Bible and secular ethics aren't neccesarily the same?
If the Bible is true then its ethics are greater than any other ethics no matter what, as they are built by an omnipetent, infinitely loving and perfectly just being. If the Bible isnt true then its ethics are no more important than the ethics of orcs in lord of the rings.
Your post is a red herring you should be debating the existence of God and whether the Bible is his words because that debate holds the anwwer to ethics debate.

If the Bible is God's word and God is who the bible says he is then your definitions of morals mean nothing compared to the bible's and if you believe the bible isn't true there is no reason to be making this post.