[Silent A]

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Greg,
On hand 259, where you turn two pair, and a 2nd flush draw (this one to the nuts) how close do you think calling, vs raising are. Primarily, are you concerned with getting bluffed on the river if you dont improve, or are you concerned that you will be allowing a different draw to hit that you will have to pay off anyway if you miss. I guess the question boils down to the dynamics of the table/a player read. My initial reaction was that calling the turn, planning to value bet good rivers and fold vs a bet on bad ones seemed to be the best way to go.

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It was top and bottom and a double FD (nut and 3rd nut):

*********** # 259 **************
PokerStars Game #12118815686: Tournament #70000006, $300+$20 Omaha Pot Limit
- Level XII (600/1200) - 2007/09/17 - 21:21:04 (ET)
Table '70000006 98' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: FossilMan (109470 in chips)
Seat 2: JA2377 (54426 in chips)
Seat 3: Pokerro (60615 in chips)
Seat 4: MrGuggenheim (126489 in chips)
Seat 5: dreedog (66744 in chips)
Seat 6: MrSmits (48540 in chips)
Seat 7: iecavniex (19300 in chips)
Seat 8: MrCoco (116974 in chips)
Seat 9: Halfrek (43961 in chips)
Pokerro: posts small blind 600
MrGuggenheim: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to FossilMan [Qc 3s Jc As]
dreedog: folds
MrSmits: folds
iecavniex: folds
MrCoco: folds
Halfrek: folds
iecavniex has returned
FossilMan: raises 1800 to 3000
JA2377: folds
Pokerro: calls 2400
MrGuggenheim: calls 1800
*** FLOP *** [8c 3c 5s]
Pokerro: checks
MrGuggenheim: bets 4800
FossilMan: calls 4800
Pokerro: folds
*** TURN *** [8c 3c 5s] [Qs]
MrGuggenheim: bets 10800
FossilMan: raises 21800 to 32600
MrGuggenheim: folds
FossilMan collected 40200 from pot
FossilMan: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 40200 | Rake 0
Board [8c 3c 5s Qs]
Seat 1: FossilMan collected (40200)
Seat 2: JA2377 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Pokerro (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: MrGuggenheim (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 5: dreedog folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: MrSmits folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: iecavniex folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: MrCoco folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Halfrek folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Given the weak leads by MrGuggenheim, the turn raise is for value + protection. Greg is probably an equity favourite but he could easily be outdrawn.

I think the main arguments should be about the flop call and the size of the turn raise (perhaps a bit small, depending on your read on the meaning of villain's 1/2 pot leads).