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I haven't bumped this in a while so Here I go Again (BTW Whitesnake Pwns). This will be a bit more advanced than my previous posts so I hope it generates some good discussion.
Anyways I was talking to unarmed about this hand where I folded a set. Here it is.
Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $3/$6 Blinds - 6 Players - (
LegoPoker Hand History Converter)
SB: $282.60
BB: $642.00
Hero (UTG): $1,042.75
MP: $468.20
CO: $88.85
BTN: $1,737.35
Preflop: Hero is dealt 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $24.00</font>,
2 folds, BTN calls $24.00,
SB folds, BB calls $18.00
Flop: ($75) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $54.00</font>, BTN calls $54.00,
BB folds
Turn: ($183) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $114.00</font>, Hero calls $114.00
River: ($411) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $300.00</font>,
Hero folds
Pot Size: $711.00 ($3 Rake)
This was a good fold by me, villain will vbet worse sometimes but more often than not I'm beat so I folded. However one thing I noted is shania doesn't like this fold.
For those of you who do not know what shania is basically it is metagame. The idea behind it is if there were three scenarios.
Scenario A: you only play AA
Scenario B: You only play AA and 23o
Scenario C: You play 100% of hands
In scenario C you will make the most money with pocket aces because your range is much wider and more often you will have weaker holdings.
Anyways the reason why Shania does not like this fold is because 55 is basically the top of my range so if I'm folding here it makes villain's bluff profitable with 100% of his range. However this is completely irrelevant.
Now you might be asking why did I spend 2 paragraphs on something and than say that its irrelevant but it actually is very important.
Too often 2p2ers overemphasize Shania and stuff like that and justify suboptimal plays because of it but that is a huge mistake. The thing is poker is the goal is only to make as much money as possible. So even if you are playing an exploitable style that is not game theory optimal it does not matter. Because the goal of poker is not playing game theory correct it is to make money.
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Reminds me of the situation where some idiot calls you without set odds, then it's obvious he has a set. You can't just go broke on principle because ZOMG he called without set odds.
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this makes sense and also annoys me but often it comes down to the villain already having made a big enough mistake that yours is a minimal one in comparison and at that point in the hand is the appropriate play regardless of being able to put a set heavily in his range (aka when the odds just get too hefty and you realize how the hand played out in the villains error but doesnt necessarily make folding right yet with certain holdings)
eagles,
good post, do you fold 888 as well?