to continue part 2...
---- Here are the winning sessions for suspected account Doubledrag.
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DOUBLEDRAG NL sessions for 9/6 and 9/7. Of note: All of these are of him sitting at exactly 1 table. I think it's confirmed at this point that the software he's using does not have multitable capability:
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----- Suspected account Doubledrag sits and appears to chipdump at the Absolute cash tables days later, playing much differently than any of the other sessions in which the accounts won vast sums of money. A rational explanation is to coverup overall statistics if he has drawn attention. Notice the bizarre calls on rivers with sure losers.
Here is how the hands went down at the time in threads.
------ things get exciting. Poster Johnnycakes notes that suspected account Doubledrag is sitting at AP 10/20 NL.
Fireworks ensue.
some hands...
Stage #764235402: Holdem No Limit $20 - 2007-09-16 18:57:07 (ET)
Table: DOHENY AVE (Real Money) Seat #5 is the dealer
Seat 5 - DOUBLEDRAG ($4000 in chips)
Seat 2 - 2006STANGGT ($800 in chips)
DOUBLEDRAG - Posts small blind $10
2006STANGGT - Posts big blind $20
*** POCKET CARDS ***
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $10
2006STANGGT - Checks
*** FLOP *** [4c 6s 3c]
2006STANGGT - Bets $20
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $20
*** TURN *** [4c 6s 3c] [5c]
2006STANGGT - Bets $40
DOUBLEDRAG - Raises $80 to $80
2006STANGGT - Calls $40
*** RIVER *** [4c 6s 3c 5c] [3d]
2006STANGGT - All-In $680
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $680
*** SHOW DOWN ***
2006STANGGT - Shows [5d 3h] (Full house, threes full of fives)
DOUBLEDRAG - Mucks
2006STANGGT Collects $1599.50 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($1600) | Rake ($0.50)
Board [4c 6s 3c 5c 3d]
Seat 2: 2006STANGGT (big blind) won Total ($1599.50) All-In HI
$1599.50) with Full house, threes full of fives [5d 3h - P:3h,B:3d,B:3c,P:5d,B:5c]
Seat 5: DOUBLEDRAG (dealer) (small blind) HI: [Mucked] [Qs 2h]
LOL, he's read the thread?
Holdem No Limit $20 - 2007-09-16 18:57:40 (ET)
Table: DOHENY AVE (Real Money) Seat #2 is the dealer
Seat 2 - 2006STANGGT ($1599.50 in chips)
Seat 5 - DOUBLEDRAG ($3200 in chips)
2006STANGGT - Posts small blind $10
DOUBLEDRAG - Posts big blind $20
*** POCKET CARDS ***
2006STANGGT - Calls $10
DOUBLEDRAG - Checks
*** FLOP *** [5h Kd 8c]
DOUBLEDRAG - Checks
2006STANGGT - Bets $20
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $20
*** TURN *** [5h Kd 8c] [4d]
DOUBLEDRAG - Checks
2006STANGGT - Checks
*** RIVER *** [5h Kd 8c 4d] [6c]
DOUBLEDRAG - Checks
2006STANGGT - Bets $140
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $140
*** SHOW DOWN ***
2006STANGGT - Shows [2c 7h] (Straight, four to eight)
DOUBLEDRAG - Shows [5s 7c] (Straight, four to eight)
2006STANGGT Collects $179.75 from main pot
DOUBLEDRAG Collects $179.75 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($360) | Rake ($0.50)
Board [5h Kd 8c 4d 6c]
Seat 2: 2006STANGGT (dealer) (small blind) won Total ($179.75) HI
$179.75) with Straight, four to eight [2c 7h - B:8c,P:7h,B:6c,B:5h,B:4d]
Seat 5: DOUBLEDRAG (big blind) won Total ($179.75) HI
$179.75) with Straight, four to eight [5s 7c - B:8c,P:7c,B:6c,P:5s,B:4d]
From Hawklet...
must have thought 4 high was good
Stage #764259764: Holdem No Limit $20 - 2007-09-16 19:02:42 (ET)
Table: DOHENY AVE (Real Money) Seat #2 is the dealer
Seat 2 - 2006STANGGT ($1737.75 in chips)
Seat 5 - DOUBLEDRAG ($3057.75 in chips)
2006STANGGT - Posts small blind $10
DOUBLEDRAG - Posts big blind $20
*** POCKET CARDS ***
2006STANGGT - Calls $10
DOUBLEDRAG - Checks
*** FLOP *** [5c 5d Qh]
DOUBLEDRAG - Checks
2006STANGGT - Checks
*** TURN *** [5c 5d Qh] [7d]
DOUBLEDRAG - Checks
2006STANGGT - Bets $40
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $40
*** RIVER *** [5c 5d Qh 7d] [2s]
DOUBLEDRAG - Checks
2006STANGGT - Bets $60
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $60
*** SHOW DOWN ***
2006STANGGT - Shows [4c 6c] (One pair, fives)
DOUBLEDRAG - Mucks
2006STANGGT Collects $239.50 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($240) | Rake ($0.50)
Board [5c 5d Qh 7d 2s]
Seat 2: 2006STANGGT (dealer) (small blind) won Total ($239.50) HI
$239.50) with One pair, fives(six kicker) [4c 6c - B:5d,B:5c,B:Qh,B:7d,P:6c]
Seat 5: DOUBLEDRAG (big blind) HI: [Mucked] [3s 4s]
Parlay Slow makes the insight...
"doubledrag is just taunting 2+2 with that 4 high call"
quote]------- hands from the sessions....
Stage #764273045: Holdem No Limit $20 - 2007-09-16 19:18:36 (ET)
Table: DOHENY AVE (Real Money) Seat #5 is the dealer
Seat 5 - DOUBLEDRAG ($4059.50 in chips)
Seat 2 - GP333 ($4578.50 in chips)
Seat 3 - RAM20INCH ($800 in chips)
GP333 - Posts small blind $10
RAM20INCH - Posts big blind $20
*** POCKET CARDS ***
DOUBLEDRAG - Raises $40 to $40
GP333 - Folds
RAM20INCH - All-In(Raise) $780 to $800
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $760
*** FLOP *** [6h Qd 9h]
*** TURN *** [6h Qd 9h] [5h]
*** RIVER *** [6h Qd 9h 5h] [8s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
RAM20INCH - Shows [Qs Ks] (One pair, queens)
DOUBLEDRAG - Shows [7s Kd] (Straight, five to nine)
DOUBLEDRAG Collects $1608 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($1610) | Rake ($2)
Board [6h Qd 9h 5h 8s]
Seat 2: GP333 (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 3: RAM20INCH (big blind) HI:lost with One pair, queens [Qs Ks - P:Qs,B:Qd,P:Ks,B:9h,B:8s]
Seat 5: DOUBLEDRAG (dealer) won Total ($1608) HI
$1608) with Straight, five to nine [7s Kd - B:9h,B:8s,P:7s,B:6h,B:5h]
Stage #764276226: Holdem No Limit $20 - 2007-09-16 19:22:24 (ET)
Table: DOHENY AVE (Real Money) Seat #2 is the dealer
Seat 2 - GP333 ($5375.50 in chips)
Seat 5 - DOUBLEDRAG ($4056.50 in chips)
GP333 - Posts small blind $10
DOUBLEDRAG - Posts big blind $20
*** POCKET CARDS ***
GP333 - Raises $50 to $60
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $40
*** FLOP *** [6s Kh Ah]
DOUBLEDRAG - Checks
GP333 - Bets $80
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $80
*** TURN *** [6s Kh Ah] [Ac]
DOUBLEDRAG - Bets $80
GP333 - Raises $220 to $220
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $140
*** RIVER *** [6s Kh Ah Ac] [4h]
DOUBLEDRAG - Checks
GP333 - Bets $700
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $700
*** SHOW DOWN ***
GP333 - Shows [Qh 6h] (Flush, ace high)
DOUBLEDRAG - Mucks
GP333 Collects $2119.50 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($2120) | Rake ($0.50)
Board [6s Kh Ah Ac 4h]
Seat 2: GP333 (dealer) (small blind) won Total ($2119.50) HI
$2119.50) with Flush, ace high [Qh 6h - B:Ah,B:Kh,P:Qh,P:6h,B:4h]
Seat 5: DOUBLEDRAG (big blind) HI: [Mucked] [3d Ad]
Stage #764265850: Holdem No Limit $20 - 2007-09-16 19:09:52 (ET)
Table: DOHENY AVE (Real Money) Seat #6 is the dealer
Seat 6 - PROT0 ($764.12 in chips)
Seat 5 - DOUBLEDRAG ($2815.75 in chips)
PROT0 - Posts small blind $10
DOUBLEDRAG - Posts big blind $20
*** POCKET CARDS ***
PROT0 - Calls $10
DOUBLEDRAG - Raises $20 to $40
PROT0 - Calls $20
*** FLOP *** [Qc 3s 9c]
DOUBLEDRAG - Bets $20
PROT0 - Raises $166 to $166
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $146
*** TURN *** [Qc 3s 9c] [7d]
DOUBLEDRAG - Checks
PROT0 - All-In $558.12
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $558.12
*** RIVER *** [Qc 3s 9c 7d] [10s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
DOUBLEDRAG - Shows [Kc 4h] (king high)
PROT0 - Shows [Qh 8s] (One pair, queens)
PROT0 Collects $1527.74 from main pot
Stage #764319278: Holdem No Limit $20 - 2007-09-16 20:10:58 (ET)
Table: DOHENY AVE (Real Money) Seat #4 is the dealer
Seat 4 - HYPERMOUSE ($3217.70 in chips)
Seat 5 - DOUBLEDRAG ($3390 in chips)
Seat 1 - JPO123 ($1534.50 in chips)
Seat 2 - GP333 ($9785.25 in chips)
DOUBLEDRAG - Posts small blind $10
JPO123 - Posts big blind $20
*** POCKET CARDS ***
GP333 - Folds
HYPERMOUSE - Raises $70 to $70
DOUBLEDRAG - Raises $130 to $140
JPO123 - Folds
HYPERMOUSE - Calls $70
*** FLOP *** [6s 4d 6c]
DOUBLEDRAG - Bets $580
HYPERMOUSE - Calls $580
*** TURN *** [6s 4d 6c] [4s]
DOUBLEDRAG - All-In $2670
HYPERMOUSE - All-In $2497.70
DOUBLEDRAG - returned ($172.30) : not called
*** RIVER *** [6s 4d 6c 4s] [5s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
HYPERMOUSE - Shows [3d 6h] (Full house, sixes full of fours)
DOUBLEDRAG - Shows [10c Jd] (Two Pair, sixes and fours)
Stage #764321824: Holdem No Limit $20 - 2007-09-16 20:13:40 (ET)
Table: DOHENY AVE (Real Money) Seat #2 is the dealer
Seat 2 - GP333 ($9955.55 in chips)
Seat 4 - HYPERMOUSE ($6433.40 in chips)
Seat 5 - DOUBLEDRAG ($3607.70 in chips)
Seat 1 - JPO123 ($1752.50 in chips)
HYPERMOUSE - Posts small blind $10
DOUBLEDRAG - Posts big blind $20
*** POCKET CARDS ***
JPO123 - Raises $60 to $60
GP333 - Raises $240 to $240
HYPERMOUSE - Folds
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $220
JPO123 - Folds
*** FLOP *** [10c Qh 6h]
DOUBLEDRAG - All-In $3367.70
GP333 - Calls $3367.70
*** TURN *** [10c Qh 6h] [Kh]
*** RIVER *** [10c Qh 6h Kh] [8h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
GP333 - Shows [Kd Ks] (Three of a kind, kings)
DOUBLEDRAG - Shows [3h 2s] (Flush, king high)
DOUBLEDRAG Collects $7283.40 from main pot
Stage #764329584: Holdem No Limit $20 - 2007-09-16 20:21:54 (ET)
Table: DOHENY AVE (Real Money) Seat #1 is the dealer
Seat 1 - JPO123 ($2396 in chips)
Seat 2 - GP333 ($7994.85 in chips)
Seat 3 - GREEKSQUARED ($770 in chips)
Seat 4 - HYPERMOUSE ($6480.40 in chips)
Seat 5 - DOUBLEDRAG ($4889.90 in chips)
GP333 - Posts small blind $10
GREEKSQUARED - Posts big blind $20
*** POCKET CARDS ***
HYPERMOUSE - Raises $70 to $70
DOUBLEDRAG - Raises $180 to $180
JPO123 - Folds
GP333 - Folds
GREEKSQUARED - Raises $380 to $400
HYPERMOUSE - Folds
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $220
*** FLOP *** [Qd 3d 4h]
GREEKSQUARED - Bets $200
DOUBLEDRAG - Raises $4280 to $4280
GREEKSQUARED - All-In $170
DOUBLEDRAG - returned ($3910) : not called
*** TURN *** [Qd 3d 4h] [9s]
*** RIVER *** [Qd 3d 4h 9s] [Js]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
GREEKSQUARED - Shows [Ad As] (One pair, aces)
DOUBLEDRAG - Shows [7d Jh] (One pair, jacks)
GREEKSQUARED Collects $1617 from main pot
At this point it is fairly obvious he has read the threads. Although more obvious to some than others... as Adanthar's reply to a post shows...
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Right now, from the HH's I see here, it seems likely that he has read the monster threads, realized he has been caught and is now playing a maniacal style but intentionally losing this time so that people go "oh wait look that style IS a losing one", hoping to calm people down.
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was it the c/c with 4 high that tipped you off?
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----- doubledrag leaves and comes back a couple times.
----- hands...
Stage #764374293: Holdem No Limit $20 - 2007-09-16 21:10:18 (ET)
Table: GALVESTON AVE (Real Money) Seat #2 is the dealer
Seat 2 - GP333 ($4300 in chips)
Seat 3 - DOUBLEDRAG ($2804 in chips)
Seat 4 - CALVINHOBBES ($4177 in chips)
Seat 5 - MANUTEBOLJR ($5371 in chips)
Seat 6 - BIGHEAD909 ($2861.50 in chips)
Seat 1 - FU_BEGGAR ($4064 in chips)
DOUBLEDRAG - Posts small blind $10
CALVINHOBBES - Posts big blind $20
*** POCKET CARDS ***
MANUTEBOLJR - Folds
BIGHEAD909 - Folds
FU_BEGGAR - Raises $80 to $80
GP333 - Calls $80
DOUBLEDRAG - Raises $190 to $200
CALVINHOBBES - Folds
FU_BEGGAR - Folds
GP333 - Calls $120
*** FLOP *** [3c 5d Qc]
DOUBLEDRAG - Checks
GP333 - Checks
*** TURN *** [3c 5d Qc] [Qs]
DOUBLEDRAG - Bets $40
GP333 - Raises $580 to $580
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $540
*** RIVER *** [3c 5d Qc Qs] [Jd]
DOUBLEDRAG - Checks
GP333 - Checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
DOUBLEDRAG - Shows [10h 7d] (One pair, queens)
GP333 - Shows [6h 6c] (Two Pair, queens and sixes)
GP333 Collects $1657 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($1660) | Rake ($3)
Board [3c 5d Qc Qs Jd]
Seat 1: FU_BEGGAR Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 2: GP333 (dealer) won Total ($1657) HI
$1657) with Two Pair, queens and sixes [6h 6c - B:Qs,B:Qc,P:6h,P:6c,B:Jd]
Seat 3: DOUBLEDRAG (small blind) HI:lost with One pair, queens [10h 7d - B:Qs,B:Qc,B:Jd,P:10h,P:7d]
Seat 4: CALVINHOBBES (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 5: MANUTEBOLJR Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: BIGHEAD909 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Stage #764381019: Holdem No Limit $20 - 2007-09-16 21:17:28 (ET)
Table: DOHENY AVE (Real Money) Seat #1 is the dealer
Seat 1 - BIGHEAD909 ($824 in chips)
Seat 2 - WPORTER ($1567 in chips)
Seat 3 - DOUBLEDRAG ($4137 in chips)
Seat 4 - CALVINHOBBES ($4000 in chips)
Seat 5 - MANUTEBOLJR ($2062 in chips)
Seat 6 - FU_BEGGAR ($5056 in chips)
WPORTER - Posts small blind $10
DOUBLEDRAG - Posts big blind $20
*** POCKET CARDS ***
CALVINHOBBES - Calls $20
MANUTEBOLJR - Folds
FU_BEGGAR - Folds
BIGHEAD909 - Folds
WPORTER - Calls $10
DOUBLEDRAG - Raises $40 to $60
CALVINHOBBES - Calls $40
WPORTER - Calls $40
*** FLOP *** [3d 7d Ac]
WPORTER - Checks
DOUBLEDRAG - Bets $60
CALVINHOBBES - Calls $60
WPORTER - Calls $60
*** TURN *** [3d 7d Ac] [5d]
WPORTER - Checks
DOUBLEDRAG - Bets $80
CALVINHOBBES - Calls $80
WPORTER - Raises $400 to $400
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $320
CALVINHOBBES - Folds
*** RIVER *** [3d 7d Ac 5d] [5c]
WPORTER - Bets $750
DOUBLEDRAG - Raises $3400 to $3400
WPORTER - All-In $297
DOUBLEDRAG - returned ($2353) : not called
*** SHOW DOWN ***
DOUBLEDRAG - Shows [6c 8c] (One pair, fives)
WPORTER - Shows [Ad 10h] (Two Pair, aces and fives)
WPORTER Collects $3331 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($3334) | Rake ($3)
Board [3d 7d Ac 5d 5c]
Seat 1: BIGHEAD909 (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 2: WPORTER (small blind) won Total ($3331) All-In HI
$3331) with Two Pair, aces and fives [Ad 10h - P:Ad,B:Ac,B:5d,B:5c,P:10h]
Seat 3: DOUBLEDRAG (big blind) HI:lost with One pair, fives [6c 8c - B:5d,B:5c,B:Ac,P:8c,B:7d]
Seat 4: CALVINHOBBES Folded on the TURN
Seat 5: MANUTEBOLJR Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: FU_BEGGAR Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Stage #764384931: Holdem No Limit $20 - 2007-09-16 21:21:38 (ET)
Table: DOHENY AVE (Real Money) Seat #6 is the dealer
Seat 6 - FU_BEGGAR ($4986 in chips)
Seat 1 - BIGHEAD909 ($764 in chips)
Seat 2 - WPORTER ($3518 in chips)
Seat 3 - DOUBLEDRAG ($3517 in chips)
Seat 4 - CALVINHOBBES ($4644 in chips)
Seat 5 - MANUTEBOLJR ($1842 in chips)
BIGHEAD909 - Posts small blind $10
WPORTER - Posts big blind $20
*** POCKET CARDS ***
DOUBLEDRAG - Raises $40 to $40
CALVINHOBBES - Folds
MANUTEBOLJR - Calls $40
FU_BEGGAR - Calls $40
BIGHEAD909 - Calls $30
WPORTER - Folds
*** FLOP *** [Kh Js Kc]
BIGHEAD909 - Bets $40
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $40
MANUTEBOLJR - Calls $40
FU_BEGGAR - Folds
*** TURN *** [Kh Js Kc] [6s]
BIGHEAD909 - Bets $80
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $80
MANUTEBOLJR - Folds
*** RIVER *** [Kh Js Kc 6s] [4d]
BIGHEAD909 - Bets $180
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $180
*** SHOW DOWN ***
BIGHEAD909 - Shows [Ks 9c] (Three of a kind, kings)
DOUBLEDRAG - Mucks
BIGHEAD909 Collects $817 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($820) | Rake ($3)
Board [Kh Js Kc 6s 4d]
Seat 1: BIGHEAD909 (small blind) won Total ($817) HI
$817) with Three of a kind, kings [Ks 9c - P:Ks,B:Kh,B:Kc,B:Js,P:9c]
Seat 2: WPORTER (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 3: DOUBLEDRAG HI: [Mucked] [5s Qh]
Seat 4: CALVINHOBBES Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 5: MANUTEBOLJR Folded on the TURN
Seat 6: FU_BEGGAR (dealer) Folded on the FLOP
----- doubledrag's pokertracker graph for the session/s found here...
http://img7.imagevenue.com/img.php?i..._122_788lo.jpg
raw pokertracker data for the session...
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09/21/07 perhaps an important missing piece.
----- Dan Druff just responded in the other thread.
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...Anyway, I haven't seen mentioned yet that SUPERCARDM55 was the recipient of 55k of GRAYCAT's money in an obvious heads-up chip dump session on August 30th.
So it appears ROMNALDO was used to take DOUBLEDRAG's money, and SUPERCARDM55 was used to take GRAYCAT's money. There must be other accounts used for STEAMROLLER, POTRIPPER, and whoever else.
It also is worth noting that GRAYCAT was "complaining" about his "losses" to SUPERCARDM55 as they were happening. Stuff like, "omg my luck is so terrible", "[censored] I'm going to lose it all", etc, etc. Again, over-the-top stuff to weakly try to cover up what was really going on.
SUPERCARDM55 had never been seen before -- at least not at the high limits. He played one session two days later, did NOT appear to be cheating, lost some money, and left after about an hour or so. Never been seen again, to my knowledge.
Find out who SUPERCARDM55 and ROMNALDO belong to, and we have our answer as to who the guilty parties really are.
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So there you have the basic data/evidence for the arguments.
I'll try pull in some of the ROMNALDO hands when I come across them.
In part three we will cover some of what has been debated about what is being seen, but that isn't the main point of the thread.
This thread is to keep "what we know" apart from some of what "people think it means".
I'll do more soon- but this stuff is so deep and bogged down beyond the actual happenings I'm not totally positive how to organize it right now.
Maybe it's just best to take a break and let people see the story and data without all the debate for a bit.
-apefish.