[TMTTR]

Is Vyse for real? In the matter of just a few words, he gives an opinion you can't take seriously and then says mine can't be taken seriously without explaining why -- although it seems clear he has come here to slam me because he is still upset than I have beaten him into the metaphorical bloody pulp in our earlier exchange.

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In my opinion it looks more likely Bonds is going to be found innocent than not.

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oops. You dont't get "found innocent," you get found not guilty. Big difference. See OJ.

How can you not understand the U.S. judicial system? Bonds can be found not guilty of perjury and still have used steroids. Indeed he might have still known he used steroids. If he is found not guilty under the criminal law for perjury, it doesn't even mean he didn't lie. Indeed it could still be more likely than not that he did lie. Criminal trials have very high burdens of proof to protect the innocent even though it allows some of the bad guys to get away.

Bonds may truly have never used steroids -- but there is a lot of evidence to overcome to reach that conclusion and it would likely involve proving a tremendous conspiracy against him.

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TMTTR is so biased that you can't even take his opinion seriously, he goes against all facets of logic.

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Coming from Vyse the Illogical, this is a compliment. I have no bias against Bonds. i have posted mostly facts and my opinions are backed up by facts or published reports by reputable sources.

Please attack one point that I have made. Please tell me what is clearly not true.

But those requests are futile. I have already proven Vyse incapable of rational thought in our earlier meetings on other topics. Yet, you keep coming back to insult and prove yourself lame, overwhelmed and unworthy of serious consideration.

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I think you mean "/vyse" before he sticks his foot back in his mouth. Too late.

In short, for vyse: Long posts you disagree with != illogical. You need to show the holes. You never do.