[BobboFitos]

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I like the first one but not the 2nd, if he calls in hand 1 I'd just give up unless you hit your possible 4 outer

in hand 2 I hate 3-betting a weak player who has cr'd, like you said this is often massive strength, esp in a limped pot, plus you have no equity in the hand whatsoever if he calls, well... theres the backdraw fd but I hope your not counting that

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i have bottom pair too, with an 8 kicker and backdoor straight draw