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Old 11-03-2007, 11:06 PM
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Default Re: Some akward turn spots

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id bet 65 and prolly FOLD to a raise in 3

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puke

we're getting 3:1 and have 12 outs vs most of his pushing range.

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if you were right then it wouldnt realyl matter but i dont think we have 12 outs at all, if he shoves he has KJ, QJ and sometimes KQ along with sets obvi

so you cant count all the TP as outs bc he will often hold some of them

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a) He has two pairs a LOT more often than sets
b) Sometimes we have the best hand. I'd say we have the best hand more often than he has a set, frankly.

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i agree with what you said but i dont see how this leads you to conclude that we have 12 outs against any hand that is shoving for value here
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