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Skall,

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Openly discussing ideas with people you disagree with, even people you despise, is a hallmark of free speech

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Botting is cheating. Period. And the PPA doesn't need to discuss things or deal with cheats for any reason. It can only hurt their image to do so. If you want to be a chump and champion the rights of botters go ahead though.

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BUT HAVE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO SHOW A SPECIFIC AREA WHERE THE PPA SUPPORTS SOMETHING GOOD FOR THE SITES (or the "affiliate farms") THAT IS AT THE SAME TIME BAD FOR THE PLAYERS.'

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Wrong standard. The right standard standard is are they working for all the goals that the wider membership has, instead of just the narrower set that benefits the affiliate farm interests that control the board. Errors of omission. Keep ignoring them if you wish.

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PUT UP OR SHUT UP

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="rally 'round the tattered flag boys! no matter the commander is not the sharpest we could have!"

Working for internal change in the PPA *is* putting up. I and others are looking at the long term and big picture, while most of you can't see the woods for the trees and yet keep demanding we follow you blindly.

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Really, can you honestly think the poker world would be better without the PPA? Love the current online situation? Even if you are personally OK with it, wait till the DOJ goes after Poker directly - it is only the efforts of the group of us, which currently is being advanced in an organized way only by the PPA, that is slowing that, and even then it will not work without continued support.

So go ahead and trash the only thing out there working to protect the game. You guys who live near casinos will be OK, and you guys who never need to move money online will also be happy (until they take the next step when this one doesnt stop you). And who cares about the rest of us anyway?

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I've made it clear before that a) I play fulltime, and b) do so online. So I do care about online poker, but the *specific forms in which it is currently offered*, i.e to the liking of the affiliate farms, isn't what I wish to be limited to. And the reason I think it important as well to work on B&M issues is the synergy that comes from same to benefit all forms. Keep ignoring that too if you wish merely because online poker in its current or pre-IUGEA form is all you personally care about.


4) I am going to repeat a question now I asked in another thread, which is: are the affiliate farm interest board members so desperately critical to the PPA's success that there can't be substantive board change?

You and other keep putting it all on the critics of the PPA instead of seeking to remove the sources of that criticism by demanding board change and better/meaningful transparency and a wider set of goals.

5) Bottom line: the WTO and judicial issues, which the PPA has little role in, are what are more likely in the short term to bring about success for our cause. Granted the PPA is seeking to leverage the WTO issue to advance the pending legislation, but they are only taking advantage of an external factor and weren't the ones who brought that issue to the fore. And in the *long term*, the issues I and other critics have raised matter a lot. They even matter in the short term because our enemies can paint the PPA as only an industry interest group instead of a real grassroots organization.